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Boat vs Breakwater
Just got back home after a warm week @ hboat. Did anyone hear about the runaboat missing the entrance 2 Conley and hitting the breakwater Monday
nite? We saw the boat going about 25mph and I said I guess he's going past Conley up th lake when BANG he hit the steel tube breakwater. There were
instantly 5-6 boat that came 2 help. It was after dark, so we couldn't see the 'rescue.'
The next day we ck'd out the hit spot scars about 8-10 ft to the right of the marina entrance...looked like it hit and went over the tube til the
outdrive/prop hit and hung up.
Hope the people are ok...what damage would that have done 2 their boat?
dam glad it floats our boats
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Oh that would just ruin your day!
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I can tell you first hand. Yes is does ruin your day and several after.
We pulled on off late on night that did the same thing. The boat cleared but hung up on the out drive.
Very humbling experience..
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Red right returning . . .
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Most boaters will not know what you are talking about.
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"From Sea."
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When passing a boat head on, you pass port 2 port, so his red nav light would be on my left, so I pass it 2 the right, right?
Is there a red light on the left of the marina entrance when approaching from outside the breakwater?
dam glad it floats our boats
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Quote: Originally posted by xburnside  |
When passing a boat head on, you pass port 2 port, so his red nav light would be on my left, so I pass it 2 the right, right? |
I always thought "red right returning" refers to when returning from sea, generally marking the entrance to harbors, inbound on the ICW or if
basically inbound the red light marker beacons should be on your right and the green on your left.
"Red right returning" was one of those sayings to help sailors remember which way to turn.
MarineAssist or somebody will know the exact terminology but I don't think it has anything to do with passing boats.
WHATEVER floats your boat Dude!
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As I remember, the wavebreak at Conley has flashing lights. If he ran over the wavebreak then either something was impairing his vision or he was
running to fast for the elements. If it is to hard to see a big white tube in front of you and if you are running too fast to react if an obstacle
that large comes in view, then you are running too dam fast for the conditions.
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RRR
Red Right Return............... From sea. Yes headed northbound in the ICW or any tributaries therof from an offshore or nearshore location.
Always pass port to port for oncoming vessels. Overtaking slower traffic pass on the slower vessels port side.
Nary a channel marker around here.
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Was coming up Indiana Creek to to Grinder Hill Marina a few days back and almost hit the steel breakwater myself. I was traveling at slow speed,
almost at idle and there was almost no moonlight. So, was using my GPS map to set course and had a spot light in hand. Then all of a sudden, there
is the breakwall in front of me,...HARD LEFT and all was OK. Only then could I see the (small, dim ) light on the breakwalls outer link. (Lucky
there was no fog that night) 
Adam blamed Eve, Eve blamed the snake,
and the snake didn't have a leg to stand on!
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| Quote: Originally posted by GBoone | | Was coming up Indiana Creed to to Grinder Hill Marina a few days back and almost hit the steel breakwater myself. I was traveling at slow speed,
almost at idle and there was almost no moonlight. So, was using my GPS map to set course and had a spot light in hand. Then all of a sudden, there
is the breakwall in front of me,...HARD RIGHT and all was OK. Only then could I see the (small, dim ) light on the breakwalls outer link. (Lucky
there was no fog that night) |
Perfect example of running at the right speed for the conditions. Time enough for evasive action.
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Red right returning can also apply to entering a harbor. At conley there IS a flashing red light at the farthest edge of the right sided break wall
as you enter. That should tell you that's where you want to be along that edge but keep it to your right. Then you should be able to spot the green
light on the opposite end indicating the entire width of the harbor entrance. If you keep the red light to your right then you should pass safely on
the right side of the channel.
I wish those lights would blink a little faster though . . .
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| Quote: Originally posted by Mojo | Red right returning can also apply to entering a harbor. At conley there IS a flashing red light at the farthest edge of the right sided break wall
as you enter. That should tell you that's where you want to be along that edge but keep it to your right. Then you should be able to spot the green
light on the opposite end indicating the entire width of the harbor entrance. If you keep the red light to your right then you should pass safely on
the right side of the channel.
I wish those lights would blink a little faster though . . . |
Yep there is a red light on the right and a green on the left PLUS flashing white lights ever so often on top of the breakwater. There used to be a
flashing beacon on a tall pole right in the middle of the entrance but it was taken down for some reason. My guess too many people hit it.
I totally agree that the red and green lights could flash a lot faster or maybe be set up higher on a post or something. Right now its very easy to
confuse them with other boats.
WHATEVER floats your boat Dude!
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As stated above, "red, right, returning" is a phrase to help remember which side to pass channel markers on, when there are channel markers.
You always keep the red markers on your right side when returning in from sea, or when heading upstream in a tributary.
IF... IF there were channel markers here on the lake, you would keep the red ones on the right side of your boat when heading toward Burnside from the
dam, as that is upstream.
Now, the red, green and white NAV lights on a boat are there to tell other boaters which direction a boat is traveling in the dark.
The red light is mounted on the left or port side of your boat and the green is mounted on your right side, or starboard. The white light should be
viewable from 360 degrees either in one light or in a combination of two lights, like with a forward facing one overhead and a rearward facing one on
the transom.
When you come upon a boat in the dark and you see their red, green and white lights, you are basically looking at them heading at you near to straight
on.
If you only see their white light, they are either anchored or heading away from you.
If you can see the green and white, you are looking at a boat's right side and if you see red and white, you are looking at a boat's left side.
Now, if you see the boat's red and white lights, you are approaching them to pass on the correct side. The red light indicates "do not turn left in
front of me as I have the right of way".
If you see the green light, you have the right of way.
In crossing situations, the boat to your right has the right of way. This is why the boat has the red light on the left side, so that you see the red
light and yield to them.
Clear as mud?
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In my opinion, which means nothing, those wake breaks are no different than coming upon a dredge pipeline.
Title 33: Navigation and Navigable Waters
CHAPTER I: COAST GUARD, DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY
SUBCHAPTER E: INLAND NAVIGATION RULES
PART 88: ANNEX V: PILOT RULES
88.15 - Lights on dredge pipelines.
Dredge pipelines that are floating or supported on trestles shall display the following lights at night and in periods of restricted visibility.
(a) One row of yellow lights. The lights must be:
(1) Flashing 50 to 70 times per minute,
(2) Visible all around the horizon,
(3) Visible for at least 2 miles on a clear dark night,
(4) Not less than 1 and not more than 3.5 meters above the water,
(5) Approximately equally spaced, and
(6) Not more than 10 meters apart where the pipeline crosses a navigable channel. Where the pipeline does not cross a navigable channel the lights
must be sufficient in number to clearly show the pipeline's length and course.
(b) Two red lights at each end of the pipeline, including the ends in a channel where the pipeline is separated to allow vessels to pass (whether open
or closed). The lights must be:
(1) Visible all around the horizon, and
(2) Visible for at least 2 miles on a clear dark night, and
(3) One meter apart in a vertical line with the lower light at the same height above the water as the flashing yellow light.
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Just like a few other things that don't get enforced, who is to say that the above ever will?? And if it's not enforceable to brighten these
hard-to-see wavebreaks at night, maybe just some extra lighting of some sort, even solar lights? I completely agree, those wavebreaks at many marinas
are hard to see at night, even the no wake bouys can blend in a dark area of a marina....I use a flashlight to spot them, I just HATE those blinding
gazillion trillion candlepower spotlights and the bright as the sun docking lights that some use.....
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So, to add some another question to this discussion, here's something that's relative that I've always wondered about.
If roughly eight percent of the adult male population is red/green colorblind, and I'm guessing that probably at least 80 percent of the boat
operating public is male - who was the genius that decided that red and green lighting would be used to make boating safer?
Was there a problem with yellow and blue?
Just something that a red/green colorblind male boat operator has always wondered.
Hate that eight mile drive home!
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| Quote: Originally posted by KyAl98 | So, to add some another question to this discussion, here's something that's relative that I've always wondered about.
If roughly eight percent of the adult male population is red/green colorblind, and I'm guessing that probably at least 80 percent of the boat
operating public is male - who was the genius that decided that red and green lighting would be used to make boating safer?
Was there a problem with yellow and blue?
Just something that a red/green colorblind male boat operator has always wondered.
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Just wondering what color do you see when you see red/green?
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Did you know a color blind person cannot obtain a USCG captain's license? Assumedly, for that same reason.
During the day it is not too much of an issue because the shapes of the buoys and daymarkers also signify their color, but nighttime is an issue.
Not sure the history of the colors.
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I can tell you color blindness is an issue for pilots also. We have the exact same navigational light markings as boats. Red on port wing, Green on
starboard wing, and a white beacon on the rear.
Every two years (sooner for professional pilots) we are required to have a medical exam and part of the test is looking at a picture of red dots and
if you look close there is a number written in green dots. So far I'm good. 
WHATEVER floats your boat Dude!
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So I can't work for MarineAssist, nor can I get a pilot's license when I retire.
Now what?
Hate that eight mile drive home!
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The color blindness test is called the Ishihara test. I can only read 2-3 numbers out of 15 plates. My wife dresses me.
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| Quote: Originally posted by SEARAY | | Quote: Originally posted by KyAl98 | So, to add some another question to this discussion, here's something that's relative that I've always wondered about.
If roughly eight percent of the adult male population is red/green colorblind, and I'm guessing that probably at least 80 percent of the boat
operating public is male - who was the genius that decided that red and green lighting would be used to make boating safer?
Was there a problem with yellow and blue?
Just something that a red/green colorblind male boat operator has always wondered.
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Just wondering what color do you see when you see red/green? |
Apparently, I'm not as extreme as some in the degree of red/green color blindness. Some shades, light hue versions, appear no difference to me. I
see the difference in grass green and fire truck red, but the old traffic lights from years ago - red and green look the same.
Jamestown Tennessee used to have two traffic lights on the town square and they were hung in opposite directions. I never knew that until one day when
Mrs. KyAl was screaming at me, apparently as I drove through the second light that was red - but it was the same light position as the first one that
was green.
I've also been known to buy purple Converse Chuck Taylor shoes thinking they were royal blue (somehow that gets brought up at every family gathering
so I'm not embarrassed to go ahead and tell on myself here).
Hate that eight mile drive home!
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You could write in your retirement. LOL
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