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Sorry Baja as picky as E is I don't think he is ever going to buy a boat
Quick question: E, have you been on the docks at Conley lately? I took a cruze around the Marina this weekend and there are alot, and I mean alot of
boats for sale there. I am sure you have seen them online but I just wanted to make sure because I did see one with just a standard "for sale sign"
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| Quote: | | Originally posted by crwkyI think Don is trying to tell you that he just did not come right out and say it. lol |
I know you and M-A are right for the most part and are not steering me wrong. This next boat I don't see me getting rid of it until it is paid off at
least hence why I have been looking at lower hours etc. I don't expect to be able to put any more hours on it as I did the Bayliner and in fact I
would guess I would put waaay less. Most of my decision for one brand over another is being based on the layout of the boats. To get the layout I
really want in a SeaRay it would be the 270 layout in the cabin and the 260 layout in the cockpit. lol Most of the 270s that I would purchase are
more than I want to spend. One of these days I want to retire and having a child will only get more expensive as well especially if J and I decide to
have another. I am just trying to get a good boat that will last us and we will be comfortable on while maintaining a strict budget. I also don't
want anything that is extra $$$ right out of the gate for repairs or for adding componets like AC etc that i would want. I'm pretty sure whatever I
decide to buy (unless I get that SeaRay 260 Baja posted) would need to have a generator added or I would need to get a Honda Gen to run as I am
getting from most of the Cruiser owners I would indeed want a Generator to cove out. I'm not sure how much I would cove out as I like being tied to a
quiet piece of dock at night and places like Conley have transient slips with power thus why I am not sweating the generator part.
I'm hearing those who are telling me SeaRay is a higher quality boat on the fit and finish but I am also hearing from people that the Bayliners do
indeed last and that their cruisers are built a little better than my Cuddy was. I also see they all run the same engines and drives so there should
be no difference there and they all use the same brand of Airrr for the most part that I have seen. Now if a SeaRay 270 Popped up at the same price
as a Bayliner 2655 and they were in the same shape I would indeed take the SeaRay over the Bayliner but if I can save $5k-10k getting a Bayliner and
it has more options etc. and its engine possible has less use than by all means I am going to get the Bayliner.
In the meantime I got some pictures of the 2000 Monterey someone posted a link to and it looks really nice but last night as I reviewed boats over and
over some more the beam is really starting to be more important to me.
GOSH I'm confused. lol 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Captain Ahab
Did you cross off the Monteray? |
Not yet
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Baja25-PJ
Here is a suggestion, If E buys a boat someone on here gives him the lead on that person wins the Prestigious Lakecumberland.com award. Can you tell
I have never won it. |
It could happen! 
WHATEVER floats your boat Dude!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by E_HILLMAN
The 270 in Kansas also seems nice but does not have a trailer and would be around 30k with trailer.
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You gotta STOP with the Negative Nancy stuff! Factor in the trailor, figure out what you have to offer to get you to $25K and offer him that
(assuming rest of boat checks out). I have NO idea why you are afraid to offer lower on a boat you might love. That is not THAT much a difference on
this KC boat, which looks AWESOME btw.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by E_HILLMAN
| Quote: | | Originally posted by crwkyI think Don is trying to tell you that he just did not come right out and say it. lol |
I know you and M-A are right for the most part and are not steering me wrong. This next boat I don't see me getting rid of it until it is paid off at
least hence why I have been looking at lower hours etc. I don't expect to be able to put any more hours on it as I did the Bayliner and in fact I
would guess I would put waaay less. Most of my decision for one brand over another is being based on the layout of the boats. To get the layout I
really want in a SeaRay it would be the 270 layout in the cabin and the 260 layout in the cockpit. lol Most of the 270s that I would purchase are
more than I want to spend. One of these days I want to retire and having a child will only get more expensive as well especially if J and I decide to
have another. I am just trying to get a good boat that will last us and we will be comfortable on while maintaining a strict budget. I also don't
want anything that is extra $$$ right out of the gate for repairs or for adding componets like AC etc that i would want. I'm pretty sure whatever I
decide to buy (unless I get that SeaRay 260 Baja posted) would need to have a generator added or I would need to get a Honda Gen to run as I am
getting from most of the Cruiser owners I would indeed want a Generator to cove out. I'm not sure how much I would cove out as I like being tied to a
quiet piece of dock at night and places like Conley have transient slips with power thus why I am not sweating the generator part.
I'm hearing those who are telling me SeaRay is a higher quality boat on the fit and finish but I am also hearing from people that the Bayliners do
indeed last and that their cruisers are built a little better than my Cuddy was. I also see they all run the same engines and drives so there should
be no difference there and they all use the same brand of Airrr for the most part that I have seen. Now if a SeaRay 270 Popped up at the same price
as a Bayliner 2655 and they were in the same shape I would indeed take the SeaRay over the Bayliner but if I can save $5k-10k getting a Bayliner and
it has more options etc. and its engine possible has less use than by all means I am going to get the Bayliner.
In the meantime I got some pictures of the 2000 Monterey someone posted a link to and it looks really nice but last night as I reviewed boats over and
over some more the beam is really starting to be more important to me.
GOSH I'm confused. lol |
E please add my name to those saying don't go with Bayliner unless its a good deal and/or in perfect shape. So far we have Nearly, Marine Assist,
crwky, baja25 and many who haven't chimed in.
E the same company "Brunswick" owns both SeaRay and Bayliner but its kinda like saying a Cadillac and Chevrolet are the same thing. Same motors,
frames plus a lot of other similarities but they're different. You won't find exactly the same boats priced exactly the same. If you do, jump on the
SeaRay ASAP, its a deal.
NOW this is just a general observation of mine. When I walk down the marina and see an older Bayliner its almost always has faded paint, torn canvas,
and generally rougher appearance. They are a lower price point boat and thus a good starter boat for young families. But when the first owner is
done...they are usually pretty used up. IMO and that's all it is, an opinion.
I have only owned 1 cruiser in my life and it was a SeaRay.
WHATEVER floats your boat Dude!
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I think the best suggestion yet was about walking the docks. At least you know the type of environment the boat has been in. The only thing about
this is that I would NEVER buy a boat in the water before having it pulled and the bottom checked for blisters and the lower unit for corrosion.
As for comparing SeaRay to Bayliner...At the risk of stepping on some toes, you are comparing apples to oranges. You need to decide what you are
happy with.
WW makes a valid point. There wil always be the exception, but there is a reason you will find a lot more older SeaRays in good condition. I can
write pages on my many years of observation but you need to get both boats side by side then get your magnifying glass out. The Chevy always looks
good by itself until you park next to the Cadillac.
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Forgot to mention: Cousin Ronnie and I will go to Phoenix with you to get that boat if you want it. Might not make it back with it, but you'll have
some h@llacious stories to tell (assuming you make it back).
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| Quote: | Originally posted by E_HILLMAN
| Quote: | Originally posted by Captain Ahab
Did you cross off the Monteray? |
Not yet |
I think I just did, he sent me pictures and it has the indoor/outdoor bose speakers just screwed in to the dash. I know that is kinda picky but it
just turned me off a bit. That plus the lesser beam. I'm starting to think I need to make 9' + on the beam a requirements but no more than 9'6".
Jabez, I did go ahead and e-mail the SeaRay guy. One of the pictures it was on a trailer and I could not find where he said it did or did not have
one thus I have now asked. If it does not have a trailer there is no way the guy would accept a 23k offer and I hate to insult someone. For me I just
keep on looking (as you see. lol) It does take me a long time to purchase somethign BUT when I do I am normally very happy with my choice unless
something undisclosed happens.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by NearlySatisfied
WW makes a valid point. There wil always be the exception, but there is a reason you will find a lot more older SeaRays in good condition. I can
write pages on my many years of observation but you need to get both boats side by side then get your magnifying glass out. The Chevy always looks
good by itself until you park next to the Cadillac. |
Thats fine, I have always had great luck with Chevy's have one in the garage from highschool. lol
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These are the three I am really thinking of right now
Searay 270 http://kansascity.craigslist.org/boa/2942965762.html
SeaRay 260 http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/boa/2978594088.html
http://www.boattrader.com/listing/2001-Bayliner-2655-1004044...
Pending details...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by E_HILLMAN
[Jabez, I did go ahead and e-mail the SeaRay guy. One of the pictures it was on a trailer and I could not find where he said it did or did not have
one thus I have now asked. If it does not have a trailer there is no way the guy would accept a 23k offer and I hate to insult someone. For me I just
keep on looking (as you see. lol) It does take me a long time to purchase somethign BUT when I do I am normally very happy with my choice unless
something undisclosed happens. |
You MIGHT be doing the guy a favor too. Maybe he NEEDs to sell. Maybe he has so much money that taking less doesn't matter. Maybe $25K is his fall
back price and he just priced it higher to give himself room to negotiate. If you are over 70% of list price, he shouldn't take it as an insult. I
don't take it as an insult if someone overs me half. I just say no.
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The KC 270 appears to be the pick of the litter, but the inner city used car salesman in me wonders why so cheap?
I like the Bayliner looks too, but I also fall in the category of the others on here who chimed in re: Sea Ray vs. Bayliner. I think the Chevy v.
Cadillac analogy is being generous to the Bayliner and little cutting of the Sea Ray. I get all your reasoning E, (I'm a used Ford man myself - never
bought newer or high end stuff), but a boat just seems different to me.
The Illinois boat appears from the pics it might be a little rougher than the pictures depict. Dunno.
Don, doesn't that price on the KC Sea Ray seem extremely low for that boat? If that price is right and the boat is right, that might be a steal if
you can get him to $24K (which you should be able to).
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'E', I'm not positive, but I don't think the 26 footer has an aft berth? But it DOES have the generator.
The one in KC is a 29 footer (same as my friends) w/aft berth but NO generator. Your call?
Me...I'd go with the one that has 'everything'! Get all the details on the 26 footer. IMO
ready for summer!
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I made an offer once via one of the lake's brokers and I guess the "agent" thought the offer was too low ball to pass on. A couple of weeks later when
I had not heard a response I mentioned it to his boss. That same day I received a counter offer that I accepted.
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Love all the Bayliner haters on here. I used to be one too. Until I owned one. Bought mine at least 10k cheaper than a comparible Sea Ray, etc
cruiser. And I promise you I had just as much fun(if not more:cool and just as
few problems as the Sea Ray, etc. If you find one in good shape, I don't see a reason not to at least look.
How many of you haters have actually owned Bayliner cruiser? And if so, tell us why it was such a POS.
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Easy Pac it's getting heated in here. Wow, this thread really going to turn into the houseboat thread
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| Quote: | Originally posted by pac22
Love all the Bayliner haters on here. I used to be one too. Until I owned one. Bought mine at least 10k cheaper than a comparible Sea Ray, etc
cruiser. And I promise you I had just as much fun(if not more:cool and just as
few problems as the Sea Ray, etc. If you find one in good shape, I don't see a reason not to at least look.
How many of you haters have actually owned Bayliner cruiser? And if so, tell us why it was such a POS. |
Whoa Dude...I'm not a Bayliner hater! I think they are great boats and have a place. As even you pointed out, they are a cheaper price point boat than
a SeaRay. Logic tells me they are cheaper for a reason.
Again, the Cadillac and Chevy comparasion. Same motors etc. and both can be great cars...but sorry... they just ain't the same.
And I didn't tell E to forget about a Bayliner:
"E please add my name to those saying don't go with Bayliner unless its a good deal and/or in perfect shape."
Its kinda like a UK vs UL thing. You wouldn't understand. (jking)
WHATEVER floats your boat Dude!
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Hey, 2 of my late night suggestions have made it into E's latest 3 picks. lol
Baja 25 Outlaw
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Fall Creek
Easy Pac it's getting heated in here. Wow, this thread really going to turn into the houseboat thread |
Its great we can have FUN and still get something figured out all at the same time though. 
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As a long-time lurker I must say it's been a while since I've checked in on the site more than once a day, more likely being every other. The last
couple of weeks I've been trying to catch up with some of the topics (not just this one) after being offline for just a few hours. Hopefully it is
momentum that carries on. Thanks to those that have been posting!
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Come on E, the suspense is killing me, did the Chicago or KC Sea Rays get you any additional info? When I found them, they seemed pretty nice.
Baja 25 Outlaw
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Ok prepare to Bayliner Bash. lol
| Quote: | Originally posted by E_HILLMANI DID get a reply from the owner of the brokerage on the one boat we were talking about not sending me pics
until I sent a deposit.
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He said he MOST certainly would send pics. He asked me to give him a offer to take to the owner verbally) ,if it was in their ballpark he would then
send all the pictures I wanted etc. and we could talk about going further from there after I saw the photos in case there was something that I felt
reduced the value etc. The boat does not come with a trailer but it does look shiny and well kept and the hours are supposedly not too high but they
said it did not have a meter. So let me ask this if I go further with this one and have a compression test done by someone and it comes back
favorable is that just as good or even better than hearing about low hours? Are compression tests a good way to determine engine wear and expected
life? I'm not totally sure but many that have had the larger square air breather like this one seem to be fuel injected. Is that normally true or
could it be a carb? I just can't see the pic well enough to tell and they did not list if it was carb or fuel injected. I had been assuming most
were carb that were the year of my cuddy and older just because it had one. |
Sooooo, there might have been a verbal offer sent and that offer might have been accepted by the owners. I can tell you the offer is less than book
price depending on the book and shape of boat you review. This boat does not have a trailer but the brokerage owner has one that was for a 27' SeaRay
he sold. The owner of the SeaRay did not order brakes on the trailer which I would not be too worried about for the trip back but how much would it
cost to add brakes to such a trailer? The trailer is a couple years old and aluminum. I think the price on it was $2500. I can also tell you the
price of the boat PLUS the price of THAT trailer was a good bit less than the list price for just the boat. Nothing is signed and nothing is a done deal. Still have not heard back from the owner of EITHER SeaRay boats so I
am guessing one did not like the offer I floated them and the other just does not want to sell or has already sold their boat.
Thoughts? Feel free to bash the Bayliner (unofficial)decision.
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Don't add brakes to the trailer you are just asking for a headache and one more thing to deal/worry about.
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I drove Blazers, Tahoes, Yukons, Fords. I thought I was fine then I made the mistake of buying a Denali. Now I can't afford another one so it's
going to be hard to step back.
If you don't buy a Sea Ray then you won't know the difference.
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