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E_HILLMAN
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It was for this boat here http://www.boattrader.com/listing/2001-Bayliner-2655-1004044...
It does not have a hour meter so I would be paying someone do a compression test before heading south.
I wanted the pictures to get a better look at the outdrive, vinyl, etc. They have the pics for the most part I need I just wanted to see them larger.
the boat looks pretty shiny so I am guessing it was well cared for. So like many others that I really liked I just move back to my search...  You would think in this economy people would be knocking your door down to sell you a
boat when you tell them you are ready to buy. Like the a-hole at Mariners Landing. Might coulda sold me a Fiesta Vee Saturday or at least got me
lined up to sell it but instead now he would not be able to sell me a friggin glass of ice water after being stranded in the desert heat all day.
..and then I find nice ones like this but they have the 5.0... argh..
http://www.boattrader.com/listing/2003-Bayliner-265-10170956...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by E_HILLMAN
It was for this boat here http://www.boattrader.com/listing/2001-Bayliner-2655-1004044...
It does not have a hour meter so I would be paying someone do a compression test before heading south.
I wanted the pictures to get a better look at the outdrive, vinyl, etc. They have the pics for the most part I need I just wanted to see them larger.
the boat looks pretty shiny so I am guessing it was well cared for. So like many others that I really liked I just move back to my search... :( You
would think in this economy people would be knocking your door down to sell you a boat when you tell them you are ready to buy. Like the a-hole at
Mariners Landing. Might coulda sold me a Fiesta Vee Saturday or at least got me lined up to sell it but instead now he would not be able to sell me a
friggin glass of ice water after being stranded in the desert heat all day.
..and then I find nice ones like this but they have the 5.0... argh.. :(
http://www.boattrader.com/listing/2003-Bayliner-265-10170956... |
The first one is also 326 miles from the ocean so it may be a good guess it wasn't used in salt water.
The second one the inner prop and lower unit is eaten up. bad sign
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I like both of those boats E, and I definitely know pretty much nothing about the difference, but I can't see how significant the 5.0 vs. the 5.7
really is-- is it the weight of the boat vs. torque? Maintenance and repair issues? Overall performance as far as speed, ease of planing and fuel
consumed?? Forgive me if I have missed details in someone else's post on here, this is a very long thread and I might have overlooked it, lol.....
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Do you like bacon with your eggs? I'm thinking over easy on the eggs but if bacon is part of the breakfast I don't like eggs on my bacon..............
That's my lamest attempt at a high-jack.
I did see a pond prowler for sale at Sportsman Warehouse while ago............
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The Bayliner you are looking at with no hour meter is likely fuel injected which in turn would have a computer. A mechanic can plug his hand held
unit in and it will give you exact total hours.
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You know with all the help your getting with your search E, I think your gonna owe all these guys a booze cruze in your new boat! whenever you
actually buy on that is
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Fall Creek
You know with all the help your getting with your search E, I think your gonna owe all these guys a booze cruze in your new boat! whenever you
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I think he ought to have an inter-forum raft up under the Skull at Shinbone Cliffs (one of his favorite hang outs) and have an open bar!
Everybody is invited! 
WHATEVER floats your boat Dude!
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lol, that is what the forums are for.  We all came here cause we like to
talk about boats and boating. This thread just lets people let loose on thier opinions on some real world boats out there.
Nearly. By first and second do you mean the 01 and 03s from the same post? If so good cause the 03 if is the second one is one I would not be
considering anyway. (ps how could you see that in that picture I sure can't tell that thus why I thought maybe you were looking at another boat).
Baja I had never thought of that! So pretty much any with Fuel INjection should be able to be done this way? I thought a lot of them were carb
engines but if they are not that is good info. My 04 5.0 was a carb engine.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Soak-up-the-Sun
I like both of those boats E, and I definitely know pretty much nothing about the difference, but I can't see how significant the 5.0 vs. the 5.7
really is-- is it the weight of the boat vs. torque? Maintenance and repair issues? Overall performance as far as speed, ease of planing and fuel
consumed?? Forgive me if I have missed details in someone else's post on here, this is a very long thread and I might have overlooked it, lol.....
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At a min it is a 30HP difference but there is also a very noticable torque difference and with the bigger boat I would not want to be under 5.7
Nearly is still shaking his head at me for looking at one that size. lol
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E_HILLMAN
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Well, I e-mailed this guy today and asked him if he had changed his mind on communicating via e-mail and he must have. He has replied, sent me 4
e-mails loaded with new pictures and gave me more details on the boat as well.
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--- On Mon, 4/30/12, mike andretta
From: m* a* <@hotmail.com>
Date: Monday, April 30, 2012, 12:34 PM
E
The boat (approx 200 hrs. on it) has only been in fresh water only at a marina on Raystown Lake in central PA.(this is also where the boat was
purchased--SHY BEAVER Boats) The only pictures we have are on the Boat trader website AD# 312161---however I can have my son take additional pictures
and email them to you--Please tell me what you want pictures of.
Thanks
M* A*
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From: e_hillman
Subject: RE: re email - 2001 Bayliner 2655
To: m@hotmail.com
Hey Mike
Just checking to see if you changed your mind on sending pics and info via e-mail. Still interested in your boat if everything checks out from my
questions I sent (and as long as it was not used in Salt Water).
Thanks
E Hillman
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--- On Fri, 4/20/12,
From: @hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: re email - 2001 Bayliner 2655
To: e_hillman
Date: Friday, April 20, 2012, 12:22 PM
E
I do not want to do this by email--either call me at 570-***-01** or send me your number.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by E_HILLMAN
http://www.boattrader.com/listing/2001-Bayliner-2655-Ciera-3...
I WAS looking at this one but when I contacted the seller he would not send me more photos, would not answer simple questions via e-mail and said he
only wanted to reply to me via the phone. That worried me since it seemed he did not want to put simple things in writing like if all the electronics
worked, if there were any major scratches in the gel coat, etc..
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The only thing from the pics he just sent today that really bothered me was on the back corner of the boat which to me is a deal killer but maybe
someone will tell me this is not a big deal and easily fixed. I''m thinking of moving on... Its a shame since it otherwise looks like a nice boat.
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I really like that boat, hope the ding isn't significant and can be easily fixed. Low hours, looks good, pretty much everything you wanted. Fingers
crossed for you!
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I had some damage like that on my boat that got taken care of for under $1000.
You can never have to much horsepower or to much money, it's just hard to have both...
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I dunno E. That's definitely not good!
Sometimes those fiberglass cracks can be fixed with out a lot of problems... sometimes not. Depends upon how deep and extensive it is underneath the
gel-coat.
If you look closely above the obvious cracks there are even more spider web cracks 6" above those in the side wall. That was a pretty good hit what
ever it was. Man...I dunno...it would have to be a good deal and I would have to love the boat otherwise.
If I were considering this one seriously I would have it fixed by someone you trust and then knock that off the final price.
WHATEVER floats your boat Dude!
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I think it all depends on how bad the crack is...and "why it hasn't been fixed already?" Cost? Lazy Owner? doesn't look overly fresh from the
picture.
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Remember your buying a used boat on a budget. It wont be perfect. Fixing some fiberglass if not major will be a lot better than replacing an engine.
When I bought my last one it took me a couple years to get it looking exactly the way I wanted it. You can fix the cosmetic stuff easy.
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looks like someone drilled a hole towards the stern to keep the crack from growing....
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11yr old boat with only 200hrs scares me more than the fiberglass issue. Engines that sit unused are worse than engines that are used daily IMO. If
it was in the water the whole time, or most, check for blisters on the hull.
I also wonder why the damage wasn't fixed. Maybe he was told it wasn't a big deal. Or maybe he just didn't take care of things the way he should've.
All these little things really can add up to how a boat was taken care of as a whole. For instance, it's good to change the oil every 50hrs or once a
yr. I am willing to bet this boat hasn't had 11 oile changes.
Just my 2cents. After a yr of searching, I've picked up on a few things as far as being on a budget and looking at older boats. E, you know my
Bayliner was an 85. Bought it with 600hrs, sold it with right at 1000, still running great, never had an engine issue. But, I knew the guy I bought it
from and it was maintained to the hilt all of its life. So you might think about letting up on the low hr bit if you are looking to go 10+ yrs old on
a boat.
Also, just "expect" that something is going to go wrong with whatever you end up getting. You were spoiled with your last boat, trust me. There will
be issues going cruiser life.
Oh snap
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Baja25-PJ
E
The Bayliner you are looking at with no hour meter is likely fuel injected which in turn would have a computer. A mechanic can plug his hand held
unit in and it will give you exact total hours. |
Is this true on any fuel injected motor? I just bought a 1999 Four Winns and it did not come with an hour meter. Would LOVE to know the hours
though. (Sorry E, not trying to hijack either, but this is potentially good information).
BTW E, did I tell you that I already replaced my 22' Sea Ray cabin cuddy? Gettin' upgrades right now at Anchorage Marine.  
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| Quote: | Originally posted by E_HILLMAN
| Quote: | Originally posted by Captain Ahab
Personally, I would not send a deposit just to get some pics... Screw'm, if they are to lazy to take pics, there are plenty of other boats out
there... Seems to me that you may never see the deposit again. |
exactly. Glad to hear I am not off base for being like that... |
Why would you think you are off base? Dude, this is still a buyer's market, not a seller's market. Only reason unemployment rate is going down is
because their time ran out and people are off unemployment.
"send a deposit before I will send pics"? There is an inner-city term used for that and it ends with " ________ please!"
I am thinking Floyd's Knob is not that far from your house. Also, whole 'nother line of thinking on your Cincy experience, but trying not to hijack
anymore...for awhile ... today...
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Evidently, others having problems with marine places in Cincy:
http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/bod/2988424430.html
Ouch. Unverified of course, but ...OUCH!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by E_HILLMAN
Well, I e-mailed this guy today and asked him if he had changed his mind on communicating via e-mail and he must have. He has replied, sent me 4
e-mails loaded with new pictures and gave me more details on the boat as well.
| Quote: | From E's e-mail
--- On Mon, 4/30/12, mike andretta
From: m* a* <@hotmail.com>
Date: Monday, April 30, 2012, 12:34 PM
E
The boat (approx 200 hrs. on it) has only been in fresh water only at a marina on Raystown Lake in central PA.(this is also where the boat was
purchased--SHY BEAVER Boats) The only pictures we have are on the Boat trader website AD# 312161---however I can have my son take additional pictures
and email them to you--Please tell me what you want pictures of.
Thanks
M* A*
-----------------------------------------------------------------------Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:24:06 -0700
From: e_hillman
Subject: RE: re email - 2001 Bayliner 2655
To: m@hotmail.com
Hey Mike
Just checking to see if you changed your mind on sending pics and info via e-mail. Still interested in your boat if everything checks out from my
questions I sent (and as long as it was not used in Salt Water).
Thanks
E Hillman
Buy American, The job you save just might be your own.
--- On Fri, 4/20/12,
From: @hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: re email - 2001 Bayliner 2655
To: e_hillman
Date: Friday, April 20, 2012, 12:22 PM
E
I do not want to do this by email--either call me at 570-***-01** or send me your number.
M** A*******
Director--
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| Quote: | Originally posted by E_HILLMAN
http://www.boattrader.com/listing/2001-Bayliner-2655-Ciera-3...
I WAS looking at this one but when I contacted the seller he would not send me more photos, would not answer simple questions via e-mail and said he
only wanted to reply to me via the phone. That worried me since it seemed he did not want to put simple things in writing like if all the electronics
worked, if there were any major scratches in the gel coat, etc..
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The only thing from the pics he just sent today that really bothered me was on the back corner of the boat which to me is a deal killer but maybe
someone will tell me this is not a big deal and easily fixed. I''m thinking of moving on... Its a shame since it otherwise looks like a nice boat.
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This boat doesn't look very well taken care of. Crack like that denotes of poor operator. Lower unit looks rough too. Humm. You thought the SeaRay
looked dull.? ? ?
Like Pac said, very low hours for a boat this old. May have a lot of issues sitting for long periods of time or may have sat in the water for long
periods. Don't know on this one. I would keep looking. Maybe see if you can
zoom in on one of the photos and see what year the registration tag is dated. May indicate the last time it was in the water.
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My contribution for the day E:
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/boa/2976172613.html
He'll consider delivery!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by pac22
11yr old boat with only 200hrs scares me more than the fiberglass issue. Engines that sit unused are worse than engines that are used daily IMO. If
it was in the water the whole time, or most, check for blisters on the hull.
I also wonder why the damage wasn't fixed. Maybe he was told it wasn't a big deal. Or maybe he just didn't take care of things the way he should've.
All these little things really can add up to how a boat was taken care of as a whole. For instance, it's good to change the oil every 50hrs or once a
yr. I am willing to bet this boat hasn't had 11 oile changes.
Just my 2cents. After a yr of searching, I've picked up on a few things as far as being on a budget and looking at older boats. E, you know my
Bayliner was an 85. Bought it with 600hrs, sold it with right at 1000, still running great, never had an engine issue. But, I knew the guy I bought it
from and it was maintained to the hilt all of its life. So you might think about letting up on the low hr bit if you are looking to go 10+ yrs old on
a boat.
Also, just "expect" that something is going to go wrong with whatever you end up getting. You were spoiled with your last boat, trust me. There will
be issues going cruiser life. |
I'll go along with this, my 2006 pontoon has 209 hrs on it and it is practically mint. JMHO
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Well anybody can install a new hour meter and anybody can unhook a wire for several summers as well if you know what I mean. That's why I would never
buy any of the newer stuff with fuel injected engines in them without having my local mechanic hook his computer up to the boats ECM and see exactly
what it has. The nice thing is the computer will tell you how many hours at Wide open throttle and various increments so a person can see how hard it
has been ran. When I bought my 1998 Baja 25 Outlaw 4 years ago I was looking for the perfect mint boat and new I wouyld pay more for it, long story
short I bought it from the original owner that ordered it new and he said it had 204 hours on the hour meter. Well my buddy brought his Snap on
diagnostic hand held when I went to look at it and I asked the owners permission to hook it up to see if there was any codes etc. Anyway the handheld
showed the boat had 207.3 hours so he was being very honest. I have just heard the ugly stories where people unhook the hour meter and then don't
realize it only takes a minute and a person with the right tool to see the real hours if it has an ECM. Hope this helps.
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NICE BOAT Jabez, But ARIZONA? lol That might be just a little out of my range and I bet he is not talking about delivery to KY.
| Quote: | Originally posted by NearlySatisfiedThis boat doesn't look very well taken care of. Crack like that denotes of poor operator. Lower unit
looks rough too. Humm. You thought the SeaRay looked dull.? ? ?
Like Pac said, very low hours for a boat this old. May have a lot of issues sitting for long periods of time or may have sat in the water for long
periods. Don't know on this one. I would keep looking. Maybe see if you can
zoom in on one of the photos and see what year the registration tag is dated. May indicate the last time it was in the water.
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I was not sure Nearly on the dullness as it looked overcast in the pictures. The hours don't seem too low for me, my 7 year old boat only had about
150-180 hours estimated on it and I know it did not sit around. I just did not run it very much when I went down (except for the other day and a trip
up the southfork a few years ago) many days as Waterwings jokes I would put in at Conley and go about 3 minutes to Shinbone and anchor till lunch,
then go to Conley for lunch and then back to Shinbone. Total hours for the whole weekend about 50 minutes tops. lol And some years I did not make
it down that much but it always got all of its oil changes etc.
But the crack REALLY got to me and I did not know if that was "normal wear" on cruisers or easily done and the rest of the boat could be fine or
what.
I DID get a reply from the owner of the brokerage on the one boat we were talking about not sending me pics until I sent a deposit.
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He said he MOST certainly would send pics. He asked me to give him a offer to take to the owner verbally) ,if it was in their ballpark he would then
send all the pictures I wanted etc. and we could talk about going further from there after I saw the photos in case there was something that I felt
reduced the value etc. The boat does not come with a trailer but it does look shiny and well kept and the hours are supposedly not too high but they
said it did not have a meter. So let me ask this if I go further with this one and have a compression test done by someone and it comes back
favorable is that just as good or even better than hearing about low hours? Are compression tests a good way to determine engine wear and expected
life? I'm not totally sure but many that have had the larger square air breather like this one seem to be fuel injected. Is that normally true or
could it be a carb? I just can't see the pic well enough to tell and they did not list if it was carb or fuel injected. I had been assuming most
were carb that were the year of my cuddy and older just because it had one.
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