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splashngo
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E, In some states you can not trailer a boat over certain weight with out brakes. Take it from someone that has pulled a 1999 270 Sea Ray that has
twins,a generator and on a tri axle trailer YOU WANT BRAKES. My 3000SCR Maxum sits on a Loadmaster tri axle with electric brakes. It will stop just as
good backing as going forward. The 270 Sea Ray of my friend has surge brakes. It has pulled my truck down wet boat ramps. I will never own another
trailer with surge brakes after having electric brakes. My opinion is buy a steel trailer with electric over hydraulic brakes if you plan on towing
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E only one person well maybe 2 have to be happy with what you buy. If you are happy with your choice thats all that matters.
PS knew you were going to buy bayliner all along.
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E from the pictures that boat looks great and if you got the deal you want...fantastic! GO FOR IT!
Despite what "he" says I was not slamming Bayliners so much as emphasizing SeaRay. I'll stand by the comparasion Cadillac vs Chevy. Lot of the same
parts and built by the same company... but I would rather be riding in a Caddy.
IF you get that boat, you got a great looking Chevy there. Avery, Wally, you, and the boss are gonna absolutely love it.
One thing, look carefully at the outdrive. Looks like it could have been exposed to some electroloysis but hard to tell in the picture. It is a 10
year old boat and could just be typical outdrive rash. Anodes appear good though so its probably just rash. 
WHATEVER floats your boat Dude!
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splashngo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by crwky
E only one person well maybe 2 have to be happy with what you buy. If you are happy with your choice thats all that matters.
PS knew you were going to buy bayliner all along. |
In my case it was the wife! But I do like her
boat.
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Splash from your post a few posts above
Does that depend on your tow rig or is that a blanket statement? It was used in Georgia with a SeaRay270 so hopefully Georgia is ok. In Tenn I'm
guessing my exhaust brake will be doin some work on the mountains. (THAT is IF I even buy the thing) I was hoping to receive a reply from the SeaRay
owner but it has not happened. This broker owner took a offer that he felt would be rejected but still took it to the owners anyway. He came back
with a $300 increase to my offer and THEN offered me what I think is a heck of a deal on a almost new trailer. I would like to talk to Marine Assit
to see what trailers he might have, what they cost and what he might would charge to put brakes on the trailer they have if his prices are that much
higher than the used trailer they have.
They are supposed to send me some larger pictures of the boat tomorrow. The little ones on Boat Trader look pretty good and clean to me. They are
also supposed to send a purchase contract that I will not sign and return until I have seen the photos.
The contract would also be contingent on a inspection by a surveyor, inspection by me, and a test drive if everything goes ok tomorrow and I still
have not heard from the SeaRay owners and do indeed sign it.
Splash one of my bigger worries is towing a boat over 8.5' How many do this and have they ever had any hassel from authorities?
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Waterwings - the broker stated it was mild electrolysis and said the boat was kept in the water and that THAT much was pretty normal. He said it was
purely cosmetic and knowing I would have a surveyor etc. said it would not be an issue.
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CRWKY, NO YOu didn't! lol And I still don't know it as I REALLY was a bit excited about the 270 SeaRay but have not had phone or e-mail response
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I think E. will be in his new boat for the forum party.............
\"Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference. The Marines don\'t have that problem.\"
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E, after all of this I sure hope I meet you someday, my first trip to LC this year will be Thunder Run weekend. Maybe I will see you when heading to
Conley to get my card at their card stop.
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E_HILLMAN
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Make your first trip NEXT weekend! I doubt I will have a boat but you can meet me and many other much more "interesting" forum members. lol In fact
with one handshake you can meet at least three of them 
You don't need to bring your boat if you trailer it. You don't have to get it out if it is at another marina. You just have to bring yourself and
one of your favorite dishes if you come for the potluck on Saturday.
Then again Lock, if I found something next Saturday might would be a good day for me to be headed back home with it so I might have to drop off
t-shirts with someone else. But... Who knows... lol I'll just be glad to wake up tomorrow and be on top of the dirt another day. lol
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Lock5
I think E. will be in his new boat for the forum party............. |
I think....NOT
But for a small fee Hillman, I will take you for a ride. Oh wait, you won't be there long enough for that. Oh well, I tried. 
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The used trailer for $2500 with no brakes seems inexpensive, but that all depends on condition. If you want to add brakes to it, condition of the
axles where the brakes mount will be critical. Being from GA, it is possible it is a salt water trailer and could have issues in that area. Many, many
coastal trailers are ordered without brakes due to the ongoing problems saltwater causes with them. Brakes in that environment are a constant hassle.
It could cost up to $1000 to have surge disc brakes installed, if all the existing attaching hardware is good. You know you also need to have a good
look at the tires, bearings and seals as well.
A new aluminum trailer for that boat is in the $4500 range with a 2 year warranty. I have it in stock.
If you want a new trailer, I sell aluminum. I don't waste time with steel trailers. I can order them, but they are more expensive and have a finite
lifespan from tubes rusting out from the inside out. Then you have the paint issues where when they get chipped, they start to rust. Plus, most have
those stupid welded brackets to hold the 2X6 bunks flat, giving just about 0 support to the hull except the pressure points where the brackets
themselves are. I don't know why people think laying a 2X6 board flat will support much of anything.
As for brakes, any true trailer manufacturer knows to not put electric brakes in the water. The proper way to have electrically controlled brakes on a
boat trailer is to have an electric to hydraulic system, where the brakes themselves that go into the water are hydraulically activated by an electric
pump on the tongue with a break away backup system, all controlled by a standard in cab contrioller. Most boats that are the "normal trailer size" do
not really need this type of system as long as the weight is distributed properly on the trailer and the right tow vehicle is used. If you have a
steel trailer that is all welded in place and the builder did not have it set up correctly, you are stuck with the outcome because the trailer is not
field adjustable to compensate for each boat individually. Most steel trailer builders will have a layout for a particular brand hull, but then when
it comes to weight distribution, they may or may not hit the mark on axle placement for proper tongue weight depending on optional equipment, etc.,
and that stuff is not adjustable.
From a legal standpoint, if the trailer is rated to carry more than 3000 pounds, it is required to have working brakes.
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Thanks M-A, I was confused on it since I have car hauler trailers that are rated for 10,000 and do not have brakes as well as other farm trailers /
buggies etc. that do not have them. I figured you would have the answers. (wow, 1K to install brakes? whew lol I was thining like 400 lol) The
boat is in inner Georgia not costal Georgia. They are no closer to the coast than Ashland KY would be or they might be further. The broker claims
it is all fresh water use. He sold the boat that I am looking at both times and it sounds like has done maintenance on it as well. I am looking at a
Marine Surveyor in the next city over and have sent them an e-mail. (geez I did not realize how much some would charge to do a compression test but I
am not comfortable without one).
PAC, I can't see any way in the world I would have one by then either. But I try to never say never. lol
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| Quote: | Originally posted by E_HILLMAN
Thanks M-A, I was confused on it since I have car hauler trailers that are rated for 10,000 and do not have brakes as well as other farm trailers /
buggies etc. that do not have them. I figured you would have the answers. (wow, 1K to install brakes? whew lol I was thining like 400 lol) The
boat is in inner Georgia not costal Georgia. They are no closer to the coast than Ashland KY would be or they might be further. The broker claims
it is all fresh water use. He sold the boat that I am looking at both times and it sounds like has done maintenance on it as well. I am looking at a
Marine Surveyor in the next city over and have sent them an e-mail. (geez I did not realize how much some would charge to do a compression test but I
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Disc brake "kits" run about $350 per axle. Then you have a line kit. Then there is the actuator for about another $250. If you just install them on
ONE axle, it can be $1k with the labor, fluid, etc.
I thought the trailer was "another trailer the broker had that did not originally go with that boat". In other words, it is hard to tell where the
trailer did come from, even though the boat is fresh water use.
Just cause the dealer is inland does not mean everything on his lot is "inland".
Probably a non issue anyway. I just wanted you to know that if you WANT to put brakes on it and the mounting flanges are rusted off, be prepared to
also change axles to fix it properly. The flanges don't last long in a salt environment due to the proximity to the stub to axle weld.
As for your other trailers.... don't have a wreck. They were probably built intended for "farm use" to get around the brake requirement.
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E. I think Tennessee is a state with brake requirements. I have seen some big trucks get pushed around by boats that the trailers didn't have enough
brakes or they didn't work. I think that 270 Sea Ray is about 8,000 lbs dry weight. If you are on a wet road or have a problem to where you have to
stop fast you will need brakes on the trailer. I am sure you can be very careful and take you time and may not have a problem getting the boat home.
And if you don't tow much it may work for you. There was a guy that came to Conley a few summers ago that had a mid 90's Sea Ray 270 or 290. It had a
aluminum tri axel trailer. It had brakes only on one axle. The trailer had guide poles on the rear of the trailer. I found out why they were there.
The trailer floated! He would get between the poles and let the boat push the trailer down as he came on it. That is why I like my steel trailer. My
boat has a 10' beam and I have never had any problems from the authorities. Make sure the trailer you buy has a GWV rating for the weight of the boat
. The 270 you are looking at is no problem to tow. There would be no need for a tri axle unless you got a boat with twin motors. Not having an arch
will make things easy also. I have pulled my friend's 270 and never had a problem.It feels much larger than a 27' boat. You will still be able to tube
with it and his will run 50 plus with two 4.3s.It preforms more like a run about than a big cruiser. Good luck on finding the right boat and maybe
we can cove out sometime.
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Brakes are a must.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by pac22
| Quote: | Originally posted by Lock5
I think E. will be in his new boat for the forum party............. |
I think....NOT
But for a small fee Hillman, I will take you for a ride. Oh wait, you won't be there long enough for that. Oh well, I tried. |
I think "Naut Rite" is better..........
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Hey Spash the trailer is from a 270, the boat that I (at the moment) am moving forward with is a Bayliner 2655. There is a SeaRay 270 I was checking
out but they do not seem to want to respond. lol
Lock, lol I actually like that but I'm sure the wife will come up with something else. If I get a boat that already has a name who is going to help
me do a proper renaming ceremony?
Maybe we could raftup under Shinbone line Waterwings suggested and then have him dress up as a priest and bless it. LOL
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| Quote: | Originally posted by E_HILLMAN
Maybe we could raftup under Shinbone line Waterwings suggested and then have him dress up as a priest and bless it. LOL |
Definitely count me in for the raftup... BUT me... dressing up as a priest, would get us all struck by lightening!
Prolly not a good idea. 
You are going to have to come up with a good new boat name E.
WHATEVER floats your boat Dude!
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FWIW, the aluminum I beam trailers I sell do not float.
Some of the cheaply built ones from Florida do. Many manufacturers try and use less aluminum and more wood and do not use Cypress wood. Thus, you get
a floating trailer.
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I had a tri-axle beamed aluminum for my 290 that didn't float. Maybe the added weight from the disc brakes added to the weight but it didn't float.
BTW Don, I tried to goggle quickly but isn't there a minimum weight "requiring" brakes on a boat trailer? I may be mistaken but I thought loads above
3000 were required to have brakes. (oops, I should have read further)
Personally, I think anyone that sells E a trailer for that load without brakes should share in the liability when he rear ends someone.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by pac22
| Quote: | Originally posted by Lock5
I think E. will be in his new boat for the forum party............. |
I think....NOT
But for a small fee Hillman, I will take you for a ride. Oh wait, you won't be there long enough for that. Oh well, I tried. |
I want to ride along on this one with a video camera to document who screamed the loudest...Pac on the Mirage, or E with Pac behind the wheel giving E
the ride of his life over some cruiser wake.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by WaterWings
E from the pictures that boat looks great and if you got the deal you want...fantastic! GO FOR IT!
Despite what "he" says I was not slamming Bayliners so much as emphasizing SeaRay. I'll stand by the comparasion Cadillac vs Chevy. Lot of the same
parts and built by the same company... but I would rather be riding in a Caddy.
IF you get that boat, you got a great looking Chevy there. Avery, Wally, you, and the boss are gonna absolutely love it.
One thing, look carefully at the outdrive. Looks like it could have been exposed to some electroloysis but hard to tell in the picture. It is a 10
year old boat and could just be typical outdrive rash. Anodes appear good though so its probably just rash. |
I zoomed in on the outdrive. Better get a real good deal on this Chevy because it's rear end may need some work.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by NearlySatisfied
| Quote: | Originally posted by WaterWings
E from the pictures that boat looks great and if you got the deal you want...fantastic! GO FOR IT!
Despite what "he" says I was not slamming Bayliners so much as emphasizing SeaRay. I'll stand by the comparasion Cadillac vs Chevy. Lot of the same
parts and built by the same company... but I would rather be riding in a Caddy.
IF you get that boat, you got a great looking Chevy there. Avery, Wally, you, and the boss are gonna absolutely love it.
One thing, look carefully at the outdrive. Looks like it could have been exposed to some electroloysis but hard to tell in the picture. It is a 10
year old boat and could just be typical outdrive rash. Anodes appear good though so its probably just rash. |
I zoomed in on the outdrive. Better get a real good deal on this Chevy because it's rear end may need some work. |
Don't have to zoom in on that one. Looks like trouble.
Oh snap
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| Quote: | Originally posted by NearlySatisfied
| Quote: | Originally posted by pac22
| Quote: | Originally posted by Lock5
I think E. will be in his new boat for the forum party............. |
I think....NOT
But for a small fee Hillman, I will take you for a ride. Oh wait, you won't be there long enough for that. Oh well, I tried. |
I want to ride along on this one with a video camera to document who screamed the loudest...Pac on the Mirage, or E with Pac behind the wheel giving E
the ride of his life over some cruiser wake. |
Oh snap
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seriously E, Think about it, your gonna spend 25 k on a new boat and then take a chance that the trailer this guy is gonna sell you is good for your
new boat. No way, in the scope of things whats another 2k to get a good trailer from Don that you know will be the right trailer for your boat and
that if you have any issues you know Don will stand behind it!
Buy local, because he will be the one saving your a$$ when you need it!
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Nice looking boat. Like someone else said on here, when buying used, just try to budget some money for unforeseeable repairs. It's a 10+ year old
boat. The inspections should give you a pretty good indication. Also like someone else said, you don't have to be on the coast to buy a coastal boat
/ trailer. I know of at least one dealer in Louisville that has boat FL boats at auction and brought them to KY to resell.
From the pictures I have seen of "goin tarpless" this is a huge upgrade...a totally different ball game. Just curious, have you captained vessels of
this size in the past? Plan on taking a course? I'd be excited, yet nervous to just jump in and take off in any of these big boys you are looking
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