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Reedaville
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Cumberland Point
Good news/bad news here. Yes the parking area has been revamped and half dozen new spaces have been added. And yes the center raised island near the
shelter has been removed......but this work does not seem to have achieved an improvement!
It appears the former 4 parallel spaces just above the turn around on the ramp are not official parking spaces--at least they have not been striped
with all the other new striping of the lot.
In addition the 10 or so spaces on the right side facing down the ramp are now oriented to enter going down rather than approachable from comming up
the ramp. Now that is just downright awkward! You now have to go up the ramp, turn right toward the shelter dragging your trailer and make a loop by
the sandbox and nose into these spaces headed down the ramp. Wish us pulling 24 footers good luck here not to mention those with larger rigs.
Concrete curbing has been laid on the asphalt with the intention to keep the parking & traffic direction orderly. Seeing this sort of curbing
construction elsewhere has proven to be less than durable. Plus some of this meandering curbing has made it difficult to sneak a couple of rigs into
the trees on the Faubush side.
I see the potential for a lot trailer entanglements whether with another trailer or hopping the curbing as you navigate hither and thou.
Simply stated, it appears those at the COE that did the design here have never been behind the wheel of a truck and trailer rig. All in all it is
disappointing but we will all cope!
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E_HILLMAN
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Why not back into the spaces on your way back up the ramp? lol
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Reedaville
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Yea backing into these spaces may be the way to go. However the issue with that may be that the meandering curbing on the oppisite side may not allow
enough distance to pull out straight far enough before you turn and end up dragging your trailer into the front fender and bumper of the rig next to
you. It just seems like there was ample oppurtunity to make this less challenging.
But hey the ramp itself can be a real booger (steep, narrow, rough water, etc) and now the parking has added a degree of difficulty. It won't keep us
out of the water!
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E_HILLMAN
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I say get a lot with Campinman and make him launch you... lol
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Gunner
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Anybody use this ramp on a regular basis? How much trouble would it be to launch a 28' pontoon?
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CampinMan
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I agree with all of your observations, Reedaville. I have sent a nice email to the man in charge at the COE. Hopefully we can talk some sense into
them when they see that the center section with the curbs will eliminate all spaces except the handicapped boat parking. I will be backing into the
sites on the Faubush side. No problem if you are good at backing up an empty trailer and I believe there are still about 3 spots available there that
they did not pave.
I wish they would have used all that concrete from the curbs to smear over the drainage ditch on both sides of the road. This would have added about
10 more very usable parking spaces.
All in all the renovation does look nice and like you said, "It wont keep us out of the water".
Gunner:
We use this ramp extensively, and there is no problem launching a 28 foot pontoon. The turn around is ample and the ramp is good. I have launched
much longer and heavier boats than that at Cumberland Point.
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CampinMan
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Reedaville,
Did you send your concerns to the COE?
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strohs
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We contacted the "engineer" who designed the layout prior to beginning the project. My father met with him personally and he indicated that he does
NOT pull or use a trailer, boat trailer, or movie trailer. His idea was better on paper. We contacted his superior once the genius curbing was put
in and received a phone call very quickly afterwards. Needless to say he was upset that we didn't like his concept and it is utterly useless and
dangerous to the campers. I'll post his email and superior's contact information when I get it out of my truck.
This curbing is going to destroy many fenders and lower units.
"Only a mother can love an Engineer, and I married one"
you can email me adamborders@kw.com and I'll get you what I can. There is a petition going around the area too. I'm surprised teh fisherman who use
it every week haven't taken a sledge to it
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Brian
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Many of the criticisms above are right on target. Anyone who has been coming to LC for a long time should know that many of the "improvements" to
infrastructure...defy logic. How about the traffic lights on 27...or the new Cumberland Parkway which you must get off of...in order to get back on.
Regarding the Point, the story I heard was that they had an allotted amount of $$ for such a project...and if they didn't use it, they would lose it.
Seems they were determined to do something, anything to justify keeping the money.
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CampinMan
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I am meeting with the COE on Wednesday, February 29th at 1:00pm to discuss the ramp improvements. If anyone has suggestions or would like to come on
down with us, please do.
Keep it professional and maybe we can get this situation straightened out.
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bdugan
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CampinMan:
It is certainly obvious that the individual who designed the Point "improvements" has never launched from there, nor pulled or backed up a trailer.
Suggest they restore the lines for parking on either side of the ramp to regain the top spots.
Parking lines should be reoriented to allow for pulling in upon coming back up the ramp.
I think you understand the scope of the issues and how they will cause great havoc. Just wait for the holiday weekends!
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strohs
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I sent you an email stating the same issue plus a little more. I thought it was today.
here is my input:
The newly angled parking spots facing downhill require backing a trailer uphill. Most trailers with brakes will not allow that angle in reverse and
attempting that maneuver with a loaded trailer increases the chance of a child or person behind the trailer getting injured or killed
2. If a vehicle parks in the parking lot they must go around the loop to exit. The curbing in place after making the loop in the parking lot and the
angle of the downhill parking spots does not allow ample room to maneuver any truck with a trailer. Vehicles with trailers will have to go up the road
and attempt a turn around at the intersection near the campsite office or pull back through the campground access. Increasing the chances of injury to
children and adults.
3. The handicapped parking spot (while thoughtful) when used it severely limits the area to make a turn into the parking lot with a trailer. If
lower units don't get damaged every day I'll be surprised.
There appears to be some new markings on the lot with blue paint. Really the entire wasted area needs to be removed.
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strohs
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cumberland point parking lot pictures
The small grass area and shrubbery (I love saying that word) was removed to be replaced by this....
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Rather_B_Boatin
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Strohs, thanks for posting the picture.
Is that what it looks like, an asphalt (another good word!) traffic island surrounded by a cement curb???
In the middle of the parking spots???
2007 Azure AZ228
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Reedaville
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Hey CampinMan please carry the torch of common sense for all of us. Please keep us informed on your meeting. I did see your U2U so yes please forward
that information.
If, based on your meeting, you feel like it would be beneficial for us as individuals to contact them directly then I am all in.
I do feel there is great power in this forum and perhaps change could be swayed here.
I am sure there are many users that have not grasped the full impact of these changes and may not until their first encounter with boat in tow. The
pictures are very helpful to tell the story.
Good luck and let me know how I can help.
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Stantheman
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CampinMan I said the same thing when I saw how this construction was going back in December and January. I agree with you completely. As said before
please keep us informed and if more complaints would help please let us know. This has severly messed up the area.
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Reedaville
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CampinMan: Please let us know how your meeting went with the COE. The outcome of that will have some bearing on potential next steps.
BTW welcome bdugan--it's good to see you weigh in on this topic with your first post as a long time lurker! (I think there is additional fanfare by a
welcoming committee or something along those lines for your first post. This ain't that welcome so stay tuned!)
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CampinMan
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I will request that the 4 premium spots be repainted down by the turn around. Reverse entry back to its original pull in direction on the Faubush
side and add a couple more pave spots there. The center section is tough. I would remove all the curbing and place some at an angle allowing parking
in the center but not so much as to make it un-manuvorable. Maybe just one section at the beginning and one at the end with lines between them for
parking, but no curbing at the front of your vehicle to allow us to wiggle in and out of these spots. Kind of the way it was before but replace the
big raised islands with a small amount of curbing. Also to concrete over the drainage ditch to make it safer for us to park there as over flow and
stay off of the road.
That's my thoughts, let me know if you have any others?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bdugan
CampinMan:
It is certainly obvious that the individual who designed the Point "improvements" has never launched from there, nor pulled or backed up a trailer.
Suggest they restore the lines for parking on either side of the ramp to regain the top spots.
Parking lines should be reoriented to allow for pulling in upon coming back up the ramp.
I think you understand the scope of the issues and how they will cause great havoc. Just wait for the holiday weekends! |
A big forum welcome to bdugan! I'm sorry you were not welcomed properly to the forum. Missed your post somehow. But anyway we're glad to have you on
board. Please don't be a stranger.
Ya know...I'm thinking Campingman is in line for a certain trophy! Going to go to bat for the betterment of the lake. Yep, he might just get it.
WHATEVER floats your boat Dude!
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strohs
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Good thoughts on the ditch covering, yet I doubt they'll add anything.
Don't blow away today. If that front ever makes it your way
KCCO
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CampinMan
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Yea, sorry "bdugan", welcome to the forum. I was a little pre occupied.
It is really windy here but no rain yet. The COE was nice enough to ask if I wanted to reschedule due to the weather, but this is really my only
opportunity.
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Reedaville
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| Quote: | Originally posted by CampinMan
I will request that the 4 premium spots be repainted down by the turn around. Reverse entry back to its original pull in direction on the Faubush
side and add a couple more pave spots there. The center section is tough. I would remove all the curbing and place some at an angle allowing parking
in the center but not so much as to make it un-manuvorable. Maybe just one section at the beginning and one at the end with lines between them for
parking, but no curbing at the front of your vehicle to allow us to wiggle in and out of these spots. Kind of the way it was before but replace the
big raised islands with a small amount of curbing. Also to concrete over the drainage ditch to make it safer for us to park there as over flow and
stay off of the road.
That's my thoughts, let me know if you have any others? |
Spot on CampinMan. You know if you find the COE in a generous mood, I always thought it would be good to have a bench near the water to sit
comfortably and watch the antics of launch and retrieve. Of course this isn't a deal breaker, I can continue to sit on the rocks as I have for the
many previous years.
Oh and thanks WW I am sure bdugan feels warmly welcomed!
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strohs
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I've found the contact info for the local COE, his superior and the public relations contact who could really stir things up. I'll wait for
campinman's results
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CampinMan
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I met with a very professional and receptive COE representative today. We walked the area and discussed the issues for about an hour. He seemed to
be aware of most of our concerns with the parking and said that there will be future changes. They need to clear up some contractor issues first and
then will make some additional changes to the parking layout.
This is the list that I made for them to consider:
Cumberland Point Recreation Area Parking.
1. Re-stripe the 4 premium spots just above the turn around.
2. Orient the Faubush side parking back the direction that it was before improvements and add more spots if applicable. The current configuration
will have boat trailers backing into sites which will interfere with boats waiting to launch.
3. Center section: Remove all existing curbs in the center. Add a beginning curb and an ending curb only with striping in between, about where the
islands used to be, to allow maneuverability to get into and out of the spots and not adversely affect the Faubush side parking.
4. Add concrete over the drainage ditches to allow for several more parking spaces. These spaces are utilized on weekends anyhow, lets just make
them safer.
Good News.
(Item 1.) He said that they will re-stipe the four premium parking spaces.
(Item 2.) He was 50/50 on this issue. Their design was for people to launch their boats and then go around the turn around an park heading into the
Faubush spots to control flow. After discussion, they are going to square off the first spot and put gravel down in the unpaved area for overflow
parking. The curbing in the center that juts out into this space will be removed and considerably compressed, allowing more room to manuevoir in and
out of these spots. I still like reversing the orientation, but not sure if that will happen.
(Item 3.) Obviously the hardest, but several ideas were discussed. He said if it were not a "regulated" item that they would remove the curbing in
front of these spots. Maybe even if required, I recommended a 2" curb versus a 6" curb so that we can drive over it safely. He seemed receptive to
that idea also. I also recommended removing all the interior curbing execept a small border on both sides with parking between. Also he was
receptive as a possibility. The best idea he suggested that I agreed with was total removal and use spray paint lines only except for the curb island
(reduced in size) next to the shelter house. I like this option the best.
They are also going to fix the boat parking spot on the right hand side next to the shelter house and put up a retaining wall and widen.
(Item 4.) He had not considered that as an option but will look into it with a returning engineer in a few weeks. If there is something that they
can do to allow the drainage to continue un-impeded and bring the ditch level up closer to road level, he will consider it.
They are also going to put up 3 over head lights. One near the shelter house, one near the play ground, and one near the pay table on the way down
the ramp.
Sorry for such a lenghty post, but wanted to give a breif idea of what was discussed. They did seem to listen to our requests and hopefully will be
able to correct before heavy boating season is here. I can't wait!!
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bdugan
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Campin Man:
Thanks for the great job of representing all your fellow users of Cumberland Point, those who have been following the developments, but most
importantly, those who have no idea what "improvewments" have been made.
Sounds like you had a very productive meeting, which has resulted in some immediate improvements and potential longer term improvements.
We are all grateful for your advocacy for creating a workable Point!
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