If documented boats kept at local marinas, which as I understand the Russell Co Fiscal Court has requested marina operators to report, are taxed per
Ky law shouldn't boats kept at boat storages be reported also?
*edited to requested instead of ordered
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Originally posted by denmarkshepherds
If documented boats kept at local marinas, which as I understand the Russell Co Fiscal Court has ordered marina operators to report, are taxed per Ky
law shouldn't boats kept at boat storages be reported also?
I don't understand how the Russell Co Fiscal Court can order anyone to give them a list of their customers, documented or registered. Now I'm sure not
a lawyer...and they may very well be entitled to do this, I just didn't think so.
And as you noted denmarkshepherds documented boats kept in storage or any where in the state of KY over 60 days are required to be either "registered"
or if "documented" file a Tangible Property Tax return.
"IF" I were a marina owner in Russell Co I wouldn't just hand this info over to county officials without some legal advice.
So if I keep my boat in a storage unit, not touching the corps land or the lake, they are trying to collect taxes by it being in the state of
Kentucky?
If the above statment is true, how are they going to know what is in someone's storage unit unless the storage building owner opens it up. For all
they know I tow it to the lake all the time from Ohio.
The discussion of property taxes on boats begins at about 7:10 on the video.
I was surprised at the comment that taxes are "much lower" in Pulaski County (surprised that they made a point of saying it).
LFM patrons have known that for many years.
Originally posted by RedneckYachtClub
So if I keep my boat in a storage unit, not touching the corps land or the lake, they are trying to collect taxes by it being in the state of
Kentucky?
Redneck... the short answer to that question is YES.
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Originally posted by RedneckYachtClub
If the above statment is true, how are they going to know what is in someone's storage unit unless the storage building owner opens it up. For all
they know I tow it to the lake all the time from Ohio.
They are frankly banking on the honor system. Redneck they can not possibly know what is in a storage unit and can not even ask the owner to open it
up with out a valid "search warrant" or some kind of enforceable "court order".
PS:They can also go to the storage facility "owner" and with the proper documents make him open it. Most facility owners know this and would never
open a unit with out proper authority and documentation.
Kentucky needs to come up with some type of sticker to show you are paying the taxes on your boat. There is many boats with out of state registration
on them that is not a trailer boat. There is many boats from Kentucky with expired registration on them. The state and county needs to decide who is
going to enforce the law and go for it. Leave the marina owners out of it unless they plan on sharing the money they collect with the marina.
Originally posted by splashngo
Kentucky needs to come up with some type of sticker to show you are paying the taxes on your boat. There is many boats with out of state registration
on them that is not a trailer boat. There is many boats from Kentucky with expired registration on them. The state and county needs to decide who is
going to enforce the law and go for it. Leave the marina owners out of it unless they plan on sharing the money they collect with the marina.
Kentucky is charging tax on a federally funded lake....I can understand a usage fee that makes everyone pay fairly but the way they do it now is just
not fair to anyone... We all pay for this lake through our taxes, the Dam repair is being paid for through our taxes....time to solve this issue
fairly......
The taxes are not to pay for the federal lake. They are to pay for the county and state resources that take care of the visitors to the federal lake
that resides in their county and state.
Ambulance, Fire, Search and Rescue, Ramps, roads (especially the county roads that the boaters want to be wiiidddderrr) . I don't live down there but
I sure make certain my boat taxes are paid down there. Plus I get enough transient slips, cabin rentals, etc. to more than make up the cost of what
slipholders pay on their slips so that excuse is more leaky than the 2007 wolf creek dam.
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Originally posted by RedneckYachtClub
So if I keep my boat in a storage unit, not touching the corps land or the lake, they are trying to collect taxes by it being in the state of
Kentucky?
If the above statment is true, how are they going to know what is in someone's storage unit unless the storage building owner opens it up. For all
they know I tow it to the lake all the time from Ohio.
Don't have to tow it back and forth all the time. Just once every 59 days.....and then you only have to haul it across the nearest state line
(Tennessee) and straight back to the storage shed and you don't have to register in KY.
Originally posted by RedneckYachtClub
So if I keep my boat in a storage unit, not touching the corps land or the lake, they are trying to collect taxes by it being in the state of
Kentucky?
If the above statment is true, how are they going to know what is in someone's storage unit unless the storage building owner opens it up. For all
they know I tow it to the lake all the time from Ohio.
Don't have to tow it back and forth all the time. Just once every 59 days.....and then you only have to haul it across the nearest state line
(Tennessee) and straight back to the storage shed and then you don't have to register in KY.
What's cheaper gas to haul across the Tennessee border or the tax for the boat?
Originally posted by CoyneOperated
What is the tax for a boat. Is it on value, size, type, or something else?
For state share of the bill only---it is .015 x per $100 value of the boat. In most counties this is about 35-40% of the total ad valorem tax bill on
boats. The remaining goes to the county and other taxing districts in the county (school, fire dept, library, health dept etc.).
I really don't understand why there is such a loud noise from the county about this. Most of the proceeds from the collection goes to the state
general fund and the school district---not county government.
Originally posted by CoyneOperated
What is the tax for a boat. Is it on value, size, type, or something else?
For state share of the bill only---it is .015 x per $100 value of the boat. In most counties this is about 35-40% of the total ad valorem tax bill on
boats. The remaining goes to the county and other taxing districts in the county (school, fire dept, library, health dept etc.).
I really don't understand why there is such a loud noise from the county about this. Most of the proceeds from the collection goes to the state
general fund and the school district---not county government.
The Tax bill I looked at a very large part went to the school and library. If I remember correctly the county can IF they want wave some of the county
tax and this is why counties differ in rates..
Originally posted by boathouse
Please help: what is a 'yes' or 'no' vote on your Poll mean?
Does 'yes' mean you are in favor of it?...does it mean you pay it?...or something else?
The poll question is, If documented boats kept at local marinas are taxed per Ky law shouldn't
boats kept at boat storages be reported also?
Not understanding your question. Hope this helps.
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Originally posted by boathouse
Please help: what is a 'yes' or 'no' vote on your Poll mean?
Does 'yes' mean you are in favor of it?...does it mean you pay it?...or something else?
The poll question is, If documented boats kept at local marinas are taxed per Ky law shouldn't
boats kept at boat storages be reported also?
Not understanding your question. Hope this helps.
When I saw the Poll Yes or No, I didn't realize the question was in your post.
Why don't they just charge a users fee yearly to all boaters on the lake. As I understand the Russell County taxes, they cover all that E. Hilliman
mentioned and in addition the schools, library, etc. Why should a non-residents of Ky. have to pay for schools and services not used without having
the right to vote in Ky. Taxing without representation is a federal offense. If I am wrong on this, I would like to know. It seems to me that
paying a yearly lake usage fee would eliminate all the woes for the county and the boating community.
Originally posted by Libertybelle
Why don't they just charge a users fee yearly to all boaters on the lake. As I understand the Russell County taxes, they cover all that E. Hilliman
mentioned and in addition the schools, library, etc. Why should a non-residents of Ky. have to pay for schools and services not used without having
the right to vote in Ky. Taxing without representation is a federal offense. If I am wrong on this, I would like to know. It seems to me that
paying a yearly lake usage fee would eliminate all the woes for the county and the boating community.
An excellent idea. However,
1) how would the fee be collected?
2) how would the amount of the fee be determined? (size of boat, passengers, length of time in the water, per launch, etc. ?)
3) if the fee were to be collected (by whom?) and let's just say it was equitable for all boaters, they could still use it for whatever they wanted
-including schools, etc.
So, there is not much difference between what is now law and a new law called a "User's fee".
Not to be selfish, but I would be happy if they would just delete the school and library portion for non-residents. That is non-county residents.
Although the state divides up the money received among all the other school districts in Kentucky. So unless you are an out of state resident you
receive an itsy bitsy (very small) return on your tax paid.
Originally posted by Libertybelle
Why don't they just charge a users fee yearly to all boaters on the lake. As I understand the Russell County taxes, they cover all that E. Hilliman
mentioned and in addition the schools, library, etc. Why should a non-residents of Ky. have to pay for schools and services not used without having
the right to vote in Ky. Taxing without representation is a federal offense. If I am wrong on this, I would like to know. It seems to me that
paying a yearly lake usage fee would eliminate all the woes for the county and the boating community.
An excellent idea. However,
1) how would the fee be collected?
2) how would the amount of the fee be determined? (size of boat, passengers, length of time in the water, per launch, etc. ?)
3) if the fee were to be collected (by whom?) and let's just say it was equitable for all boaters, they could still use it for whatever they wanted
-including schools, etc.
So, there is not much difference between what is now law and a new law called a "User's fee".
Actually the difference can be related to in this way.
I don't have children, I don't use the county roads, and I don't use the library----sooo I want those converted to a users fee----I am waiting for
that to happen.
An excellent idea. However,
1) how would the fee be collected?
2) how would the amount of the fee be determined? (size of boat, passengers, length of time in the water, per launch, etc. ?)
3) if the fee were to be collected (by whom?) and let's just say it was equitable for all boaters, they could still use it for whatever they wanted
-including schools, etc.
Don't agree with #3. Taxing boats owned by folks out of state... moored on a Federal Property... hmm
The process of collecting tax for these county entities as always interested me with regard to taxpayer representation.
I also agree that User Fees for the Lake in particular which pay for Lake expenses such as Patrol would be appropriate.
All boats moored on the lake would be required to have the sticker issued by anyone that sells fishing license.
Daily, Weekly, Monthly permits could also be sold just like a fishing license.
The idea of taxing out of state boaters for Libraries seems a little odd to me.
The Marinas pay taxes to the counties in which they are in. These same marinas generate revenues from those slip holders, thus contributing to the
counties tax base. The slip holders are on a federally funded property and we all pay federal taxes. The marinas pay the COE to use the federal land
not the counties. The dam repair funds are coming from federal dollars not from the counties. If your boat is sitting on federal land then the federal
tax is the only tax that needs to be paid. Not all laws make sense and are usually drawn up when there is a short fall back when and in this case the
counties wanted or needed more revenue so the bill is passed. I dont mind paying because I love the lake but having most of the money go to the
school and library is nonsense for a boat owner only. The purpose is for property owners in the sense of land that may have a family and need those
resources not something sitting on the water of a federal funded lake that is used 30 days a year. Just my opinion.
Just curious, what are the personal property tax or ad valorem tax laws in some of the home states of those who might have to pay this tax? In other
words, if I owned a houseboat that was permanently moored on a lake in Ohio, Indiana or Mich, as a Kentucky resident would I have to pay those
states/local governments a tax? If so, would that tax include things like library and school taxes?
Originally posted by kdfwr911
Just curious, what are the personal property tax or ad valorem tax laws in some of the home states of those who might have to pay this tax? In other
words, if I owned a houseboat that was permanently moored on a lake in Ohio, Indiana or Mich, as a Kentucky resident would I have to pay those
states/local governments a tax? If so, would that tax include things like library and school taxes?
The quick answer to that question, for most states is NO (See attached, a quick count says 36 no, but not sure what some of the yes's mean). Most
states only have the requirement to register the boat (after certain time period, etc.), there are no property taxes on personal property, only real
property (land, home).
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