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If 'moist' option passes, Jamestown Marina will revamp
If the results of the upcoming local option election permit the sale of alcoholic beverages by the drink at restaurants and dining facilities meeting
the specific criteria, Jamestown Resort and Marina would begin preparation of a revised master plan that would include a new food and beverage
operation on the dock, an expansion of Jamestown's lodging facilities and the construction of additional corporate meeting spaces.
The potential new facilities would create around 100 new jobs, according to Flagship Marinas, who oversee operation of the Jamestown Marina.
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Lock5
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| posted on 11-20-2009 at 09:40 PM |
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For the sake of the recovery act let's just call it an even 1,000 jobs,......... OK?
"Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference. The Marines don't have that problem."
PRESIDENT RONALD REAGAN, 1985
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| posted on 11-21-2009 at 09:50 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Lock5
For the sake of the recovery act let's just call it an even 1,000 jobs,......... OK? |
You have it off by
a few.
If they can create jobs in districts that don't exit. 100 EXPECTED New jobs MUST = 5,715 (can't make it look rounded off) AND it will save at
least 12,312!! Isn't that a litte more than the population of the county??? Oh, well - who would ever check that?
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| posted on 11-22-2009 at 12:53 AM |
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If this happens SD might be the only dock in that area that ROCKS! Talk about competitive advantage!
I like all boats I see and some people I meet!
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| posted on 11-22-2009 at 03:04 AM |
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Maybe they will lower our slip fees.
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| posted on 11-22-2009 at 10:10 AM |
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Would SD even be in the district that would be permitted to serve by the drink??
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| posted on 11-22-2009 at 10:34 AM |
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Will they still require that 75% of the overall sales is to be food to be able to sell by the drink?
Seems to me that food prices will increase to insure to meet this 75%. (Doesn't matter to me we don't eat @ Jamestown anyway but with a cold beer
or cocktail might re-think that.....See its working already....and the servers are getting a bigger tip)
Indiana requires a certain yearly over all food $ amount that is the same for all establishments instead of a sales percentage since you can only
buy by the drink on a Sunday. Of course these rules get bent for Colts games and the IMS.
How has Lee's Ford done with this requirement?
Has the food sales kept pace and have they increased thier food prices?
Maybe it is case of the county gets to keep the tax on food sales but must send the tax for the booze to the State coffers.
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| posted on 11-22-2009 at 10:43 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Jaybird
Would SD even be in the district that would be permitted to serve by the drink?? |
I'm not certain, but I don't think so. The road that comes into the state park is NOT in either of the 2 precints. I'm pretty sure that would be
the Rowena precint. So unless the precint boundry stretches across the harbor to SD from JRM to take it in that way (and I don't think it does), then
it wouldn't be in the right precint.
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| posted on 11-22-2009 at 10:48 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Spooner
Will they still require that 75% of the overall sales is to be food to be able to sell by the drink?
Seems to me that food prices will increase to insure to meet this 75%. (Doesn't matter to me we don't eat @ Jamestown anyway but with a cold beer
or cocktail might re-think that.....See its working already....and the servers are getting a bigger tip)
Indiana requires a certain yearly over all food $ amount that is the same for all establishments instead of a sales percentage since you can only
buy by the drink on a Sunday. Of course these rules get bent for Colts games and the IMS.
How has Lee's Ford done with this requirement?
Has the food sales kept pace and have they increased thier food prices?
Maybe it is case of the county gets to keep the tax on food sales but must send the tax for the booze to the State coffers. |
The requirement, if it passes, is at least 70% from food sales and no more than 30% from alcohol sales. Sorry, don't know the answers to the rest of
your questions.
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| posted on 11-22-2009 at 09:40 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by CountryBP
| Quote: | Originally posted by Lock5
For the sake of the recovery act let's just call it an even 1,000 jobs,......... OK? |
You have it off by
a few.
If they can create jobs in districts that don't exit. 100 EXPECTED New jobs MUST = 5,715 (can't make it look rounded off) AND it will save at
least 12,312!! Isn't that a litte more than the population of the county??? Oh, well - who would ever check that? |
WHAT???
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| posted on 11-22-2009 at 09:54 PM |
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We are talking JRM here, not State Dock. How will this vote pertain to JRM? If JRM suddenly becomes a "moist" sales dock, the area will explode
with new commerce.
Like it or not, alcohol is here in Russell county. Always has been. As much and whenever you want it. Why not control and be able to tax that?
For those of You that oppose this; Look at what your town has become. It is GONE for the most part. Most business/commerce has moved to Russell
Springs and left Jimtown in the dust. What is left here? Lawyers, a bank, 1 grocery and a few other struggling venues. Oh, there is also anything else
that Branscom wants to build in an off economy with your tax money. Whats is wrong with the jail now? What is wrong with the current court house?
Nothing!
Just good ol boys taking care of each other....That is exactly why Jamestown is what it is today. Good ol boys politics.
Wake up!!!!!
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| posted on 11-24-2009 at 10:46 AM |
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What exactly does 'moist' mean?
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| posted on 11-24-2009 at 10:52 AM |
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"moist" is the term used to describe leagal sales of alcohol in resturaunts, but only along with a meal.
"wet" means package stores and graocery store sales of alcohol are legal along with resturaunts.
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| posted on 11-24-2009 at 11:45 AM |
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As for Spooner's question regarding Lee's Ford keeping up and the food prices - food prices are on the "high side" which I'm sure is to assist in
keeping the 70/30 ratio.
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| posted on 11-24-2009 at 01:05 PM |
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I would be very surprised if there is ever any alchohol sold based on this vote no matter the outcome. Other moist votes that I am familiar with have
been limited to the city limits. If a precinct was in both the city and the county, only those in the city could vote.
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| posted on 11-24-2009 at 03:21 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Jamestown Man
What exactly does 'moist' mean? |
WET = Voted wet under KRS 242.125
DRY = Voted dry under KRS 242.125
MOIST = Wet city located in a dry county voted under KRS 242.125.
LIMITED (100) = City or county voted wet under KRS 242.185(6) for drink only sales with 100 seats & 70% food sales.
LIMITED (50)** = City or county voted wet under KRS 242.1244 for drink only sales with 50 seats & 70% food sales.
GOLF = Wet for alcohol by the drink sales at golf courses voted by precinct election under KRS 242.123.
WINERY = Small farm wineries in dry territory who voted wet by precinct under KRS 243.155 & 243.156.
QUALIFIED HISTORICAL SITE = Qualified historical sites voted wet by precinct election under KRS 242.1242.
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| posted on 11-24-2009 at 04:23 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Jamestown Man
What exactly does 'moist' mean? |
She's almost digging you?
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| posted on 11-24-2009 at 10:10 PM |
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Moist sales passed in Lake & Jamestown precints, but failed inside the city limits of Jamestown. Another nail in Jamestown's coffin. 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by PumpkinCreek Whats is wrong with the jail now? What is wrong with the current court house?
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2 things...(1) certain peoples names aint on the old cornerstones (2) the old jail wont hold all the "by
the drink" patrons coming from JRM, or the "bootleggers" hauling their beverages to JRM.
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| posted on 11-24-2009 at 11:06 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by covecritter
Moist sales passed in Lake & Jamestown precints, but failed inside the city limits of Jamestown. Another nail in Jamestown's coffin. |
So, where does that map out in Russell county? I are confused...as I usually am
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| posted on 11-25-2009 at 07:19 AM |
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http://russellcounty.net/news.php
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ONLINE UPDATE-Nov. 24
Voters in the Jamestown precinct, 227 yes to 215 no, and in the Lake precinct, 242 yes to 203 no, voted to approve the sale of alcohol in restaurants
that seat at least 100 people and derive at least 70 percent of their gross sales from food while voters in the city of Jamestown voted no to that
same measure, 274-243.
These vote totals are from Court Clerk Lisha Popplewell's office.
More fallout from the alcohol issue will appear in next week's newspaper.
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Does that mean??:
Yes No
227 215
242 203
243 274
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712 692
So did it pass or not?
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| posted on 11-25-2009 at 09:26 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by after_forever
http://russellcounty.net/news.php
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ONLINE UPDATE-Nov. 24
Voters in the Jamestown precinct, 227 yes to 215 no, and in the Lake precinct, 242 yes to 203 no, voted to approve the sale of alcohol in restaurants
that seat at least 100 people and derive at least 70 percent of their gross sales from food while voters in the city of Jamestown voted no to that
same measure, 274-243.
These vote totals are from Court Clerk Lisha Popplewell's office.
More fallout from the alcohol issue will appear in next week's newspaper.
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Does that mean??:
Yes No
227 215
242 203
243 274
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712 692
So did it pass or not? |
Yes, it passed in the 2 precints but not the city limits. This wasn't an all or nothing vote. Each individual precint was voting on allowing moist
sales within that precint individually. In addition, city residents voted on allowing sales within the city limits.
City residents had to answer 2 questions, but precint residents outside the city limits only had to answer one question. City residents were asked if
they wanted to allow sales within the city limits. Question 2 for city voters was did they want to allow sales within the precint they live in. Voters
outside the city were only asked if they were for allowing sales in the precint in which they live. Since they don't reside within the city limits,
they didn't get to answer the city question.
Soooo.....as best as I've put together, resturants within the Lake and Jamestown precints....but outside the city limits will be allowed to offer
alcoholic drinks with a meal. But resturants within those 2 precints that are also inside the city limits will not. As far as I can tell, only the JRM
resturant and the Anchor Inn will be allowed legal sales. There is also some provision in the law about allowing 18 hole golf courses within the
precint to allow sales. The "Link" on boat dock road would be the only golf course that may get to sell drinks.
There is sure to be many legal challenges to all this before the first beer is ever sold. Don't know how they will pan out....but one legal question
I've already heard raised is whether or not city limits restaurants could actually be denied a license since they are also within one of those 2
precints where legal sales passed.....even though the city itself voted no. The theory being that since those resturants are still inside the 2
precints which voted yes, they should not be barred from sales just because the majority of the city residents said no. In other words, the precint
wide yes vote should over ride the city wide no vote because those restaurants are also within those precints, even though they are inside the city
limits too. And city voters were asked 2 questions...one pertaining to sales inside the city limits and the other pertaining to sales within the
precint. I suppose it's possible many city voters could have been confused by having to answer 2 questions, thinking that they only needed to vote
yes in the precint and it would include the city limits.
You may be even more confused now than you were before. It's complicated and difficult to explain, with many possible legal twists involved.
Personally I wouldn't be surprised if the whole election get's thrown out and a do over is ordered by the courts.
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| posted on 11-26-2009 at 12:20 AM |
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Whew, covecritter, that made me tired.
Think I'll run down to Tennessee and have a drink and think all of that over!
Hate that eight mile drive home!
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| posted on 11-26-2009 at 12:58 AM |
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The last beer I drank in a bar was $1.50 each. The beer I'm drinking now cost .57 cents a can ...and I can sit at HOME and drink as many or as few as
I want. Not to mention theres only one way in/one way out to JRM. Quote George Bush 41, "not gonna do it, wouldnt be prudent." Question, how much is
a beer at Lees Ford?
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| posted on 11-26-2009 at 02:27 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by denmarkshepherds
Question, how much is a beer at Lees Ford? |
Don't know.....but the freedom to choose whether or not to order one is PRICELESS. 
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