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![[*]](./images/xpsilver/default_icon.gif) posted on 11-4-2009 at 05:20 PM |
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Casino talk?!!!!
Ohio passes the vote for casinos and no one has a comment?
I look for Turfway park to shut down among other horse tracks in Ky. unless we get with the program, and SOON!
Why is this state always so far behind the times and the rest of the country when it comes to progress?
Even WV. is sucking our money out of state, that is embarassing(sp).
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| posted on 11-4-2009 at 05:42 PM |
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Having a Casino closer actually excellerates the money being sucked out of a state.
Sure there is a little tax "revenue" going to the State Coffers - but to get this Tax MANY MANY Times this amount is LOST to the Casino - That then
leaves the state.
I worked in the industry for a number of years and have seen the toal it takes on a community.
If we need extra revenue that badly - we may as well legalize and tax Prostitution and Cocaine Sales. At least some of that would stay in the state
as the providers actually already are set up and living here.
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| posted on 11-4-2009 at 05:44 PM |
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On another side of this - Why would we Choose ONE industry and let them make all the gains - Why would this go ONLY to the "Horse" industry? If we
were to allow gaming - Why can't I put slots in my store.
I don't like the government picking and choosing the winners.
If an industry or business can't stand - maybe they shouldn't?
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| posted on 11-4-2009 at 05:53 PM |
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A friend of mine told me 3 weeks ago his company was working on having the one in Columbus open by mid next year.
"Good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgment."
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| posted on 11-4-2009 at 05:56 PM |
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No way should the high money horsey set get the casino business. Their so called sport is dying and no way should they get this bailout. Should be
put up for bids! Let the gangsta's with the most money pay the state for the right to operate.
And hopefully they don't hang the "this will go for education" tag on this. The lottery was supposed to fix education. Didn't happen, look at
your tax bill.
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| posted on 11-4-2009 at 05:59 PM |
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CountryBP have you ever been to Lawerenceburg or Rising Sun Ind. I have both before and after the Casinos. The place is booming the area is extremely
clean and buisness keeps opening and expanding. The infrastructure is all new, they have more city employees than most County's do. No crime or drug
problems, if i wanted meth or drugs I would come here to the area around the lake.
We have the lottery, OTB parlors, horse tracks etc. now. what is the difference? And I wish you did have slot's in you're store and you paid 50% of
the proceeds to the local or state tax base.
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| posted on 11-4-2009 at 07:24 PM |
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I'm all for casinos in Kentucky, how many you want 7,.... 10 fine, put 10 licenses up for bids who ever buys them can build them wherever they want.
Oh,........ you want to bailout the horse industry,......... fine, make the first 10% off the top go into a state fund to be divided up for race
purses. Oh by the way any "extra revenues" generated by this flux of income that will suddenly be available needs to be negated by tax breaks back
to the citizens lets say for every dollar the state gets it gives us back $.50. Sounds like a great idea to me...... Where do I sign up for this?
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| posted on 11-4-2009 at 08:16 PM |
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I support gambling in Kentucky, however, like a lot of youall, I don't think the horse industry should be the sole beneficiary of any increases in
revenues. They have gotten a free ride for years, thus they have been able to hold on to their money and spend mine and yours. I think there
should be equal opportunity for all who have the funds to start a casino. I look at the Kentucky side of the Ohio across from the casino towns and it
becomes apparent that Ohio and Indiana are the land of plenty while Kentucky is the place where old trailers go to die.
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| posted on 11-4-2009 at 08:54 PM |
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I totally agree that the the Casinos should not be just tied to the horse track's. But the tracks are already owned by the Casino people that know
how to make money or they move on. Turfway has already offer'ed to invest over $250mil of their own money just for video gaming.
They have 200 acres of prime real estate just off I-75 If you told them they could build a full Casino how much do you think they would invest? and
all on their dime not one cent of taxpayer money would be involved.
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| posted on 11-4-2009 at 09:04 PM |
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The money to build casinos would be of little consequence. I just don't want the profits from the gambling to go to millionaire horse owners.
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| posted on 11-4-2009 at 09:07 PM |
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If Turfway has all this money and prime real estate then why do they need my help? Let the ones that buy the license decide where the casinos will be,
I'll bet that Turfway doesn't have enough cash to buy a license if they are auctioned off to the highest bidders, and I still want to see the tax
breaks we will recieve for all the extra revenues that the state will get. This isn't a spending bill it's a casino bill.
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| posted on 11-4-2009 at 09:08 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EasyRider
The money to build casinos would be of little consequence. I just don't want the profits from the gambling to go to millionaire horse owners.
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How about 50% and we did not invest a dime. Just collected the money.
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| posted on 11-4-2009 at 09:15 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Lock5
If Turfway has all this money and prime real estate then why do they need my help? Let the ones that buy the license decide where the casinos will be,
I'll bet that Turfway doesn't have enough cash to buy a license if they are auctioned off to the highest bidders, and I still want to see the tax
breaks we will recieve for all the extra revenues that the state will get. This isn't a spending bill it's a casino bill. |
Turfway does not need you're "help" just the law to open up. It is already owned by a major gaming corp. and if they see a bad investment it will
be dumped. has nothing to do with Horse racing, it's a buisness called gaming and they know how to profit from it.
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| posted on 11-5-2009 at 08:19 AM |
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What bothers me are all the "POKER CLUBS" that have sprung up around this area. Tell me how this is legal and if it is a legal business how are they
taxed.
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| posted on 11-5-2009 at 08:24 AM |
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As long as money is not on the table there is no law being broken. You can play for chips legally. As for reporting the
income......................well I think you know the answer to that.
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| posted on 11-5-2009 at 08:41 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ProVle
............has nothing to do with Horse racing, it's a buisness called gaming and they know how to profit from it.......... |
I'm a very capitalistic kind of guy, that's why I say put the license up for auction, If Turfway is able to buy one that way then great. If the
horse industry wants to skim money off the profits and the gaming people still want in, then great again.
But to just go and hand(sell) the licenses to the Horse tracks is equal to the Government(state) picking the winners and the loosers and I will never
support that.
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| posted on 11-5-2009 at 09:05 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EasyRider
As long as money is not on the table there is no law being broken. You can play for chips legally. As for reporting the
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Don't you play with chips at a real casino? How are the owners of these "CLUBS" paying the rent? If they are playing for fun and just chips, there
must be a lot of people bored, because the parking lots stay full. Why would a person drive to another state and gamble if you can go to an illegal
establishment right here.
Actually I love to gamble. I just don't agree with no tax money coming from it. From were I am sitting this is gambling and I don't understand how
they are getting away with it.
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| posted on 11-5-2009 at 09:31 AM |
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Trust me, they are not playing for funzies. You purchase the chips with cash. How they work it is up to the house. Most likely you got to know your
players really well.
And just like the gas stations all along the roads that had gaming machines, they most likely will get busted.
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| posted on 11-5-2009 at 10:03 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ProVle
CountryBP have you ever been to Lawerenceburg or Rising Sun Ind. I have both before and after the Casinos. The place is booming the area is extremely
clean and buisness keeps opening and expanding. The infrastructure is all new, they have more city employees than most County's do. No crime or drug
problems, if i wanted meth or drugs I would come here to the area around the lake.
We have the lottery, OTB parlors, horse tracks etc. now. what is the difference? And I wish you did have slot's in you're store and you paid 50% of
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Not those two - but several others. I worked for a casino in
IL. When I mention community - I refer to the individuals and families. I have seen tremendous problems caused by gambling.
It has always been said that IF someone wants to gamble - they will find it. I agree. The difference being - that many of the folks I saw - would
never have WANTED to gamble IF they hadn't been exposed to it at a convenient location.
It is/was typical procedure for the casinos to send buses out to the senior centers and assisted living centers to pick up seniors on the day or two
following the 1st of the month - checks coming in. We would then take all their money give them a cheap buffet and send them home.
Sure they are responsible for themselves - but why should the state help.
Again - how many $ Millions does it take in Losses to make $1 million in Tax Revenue??? Where do these losses go??? They are not going to stay in the
state of KY - therefore further draining the wealth of the Common Wealth.
I restate - allow Prostitution - at least the purveyors of the service will likely be spending their revenue in the state!
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| posted on 11-5-2009 at 10:38 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ProVle
Ohio passes the vote for casinos and no one has a comment? |
It only took '20' tries!!
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| posted on 11-5-2009 at 12:26 PM |
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I am so glad we got the casino vote. I am tired of sending Indiana students to college and paving their roads. If people want to gamble, they will.
We go to Vegas several times a year and to Indiana casinos more often than that. Even if Ohio only keeps half the revenues, or whatever the number
is, it's better than the $0 revenue they got before, when I was in Nevada or Indiana losing my money.
Way to get your heads out of your a$$es, Ohio!!!
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| posted on 11-5-2009 at 01:24 PM |
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Even better for Ohio getting casinos?? We're a smoke free state!!! I really like going to the casinos but can only be there a short amount of time
because you just can't breathe.
A lot of people in Ohio have been talking about just this. They'll go because they can enjoy it.
Another positive is the casino in Cincinnati will make it a destination place for conventions. A rising tide lifts all boats. More people will be
downtown and other business' will flourish.
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I'm all for the casinos! We're between Columbus and Cincinnati, 90 mins to each. In fact, next week we're heading to the Belterra in Indiana for
a night before heading on down to the lake for the weekend. In a couple years, we'll hopefully (opponents will try stopping them yet) be able to
just go to the casino in Cincinnati before continuing south...doesn't get any better than that.
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| posted on 11-5-2009 at 04:39 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by yeahbuddy
I support gambling in Kentucky, however, like a lot of youall, I don't think the horse industry should be the sole beneficiary of any increases in
revenues. They have gotten a free ride for years, thus they have been able to hold on to their money and spend mine and yours. I think there
should be equal opportunity for all who have the funds to start a casino. I look at the Kentucky side of the Ohio across from the casino towns and it
becomes apparent that Ohio and Indiana are the land of plenty while Kentucky is the place where old trailers go to die. |
Please explain "free ride". KY is known worldwide for horses. We have the biggest share of the best quality horses in the world. Unfortunately other
state bred programs are starting to take away business from KY. KY should have by far the best state bred program in America bar none!! Then we could
grow (and pay more taxes and provide more jobs) instead of sitting around waiting on that idiot williams to do anything. As for country bp, whatever
happened to you championing personal responsibility? Isn't that a conservative value? Are you only for govt. protecting us citizens when you deem
necessary?
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| posted on 11-5-2009 at 04:56 PM |
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My first thought of a millionaire horse farm owners free ride. No sales tax on a horse bought or sold! Bet there are more freebies too.
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