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![[*]](./images/xpsilver/default_icon.gif) posted on 10-26-2009 at 10:15 AM |
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Look at what we caught!
Not very big, but you sure don't see many muskie come out of Cumberland. Perked up a rather slow day. (hope this picture works)
striperphil has attached this image:
"He was an old man who fished alone in a skiff in the Gulf Stream and he had gone eighty four days now without taking a fish." Conley
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| posted on 10-26-2009 at 10:30 AM |
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How in the heck did that get in there? Thanks for the pic there striperphil.
These are stocked at Cave Run lake near Morehead and are one ferocious fish. They are essentially a fresh water Barracuda. Wouldn't stick my hand in
their mouths.
I'm not sure of this and only repeating what others have told me but they tend to eat smaller species at an alarming rate (so do Stripers I think)
but you will not catch many good size Bass, Crappie, or Blue Gill (Sun Fish, Grannies) at Cave Run and it is due to these guys eating everything in
site.
Record Muskie recently caught there by a teenage gal was a monster. 
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| posted on 10-26-2009 at 11:39 AM |
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It seems there are reports of a Muskie being caught every year on the lake. Most have been on the east end and up the river, but I remember one report
of one caught from Otter creek.
NEVER DRINK WATER-FISH HAVE SEX IN IT-W.C. FIELDS
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| posted on 10-26-2009 at 11:46 AM |
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Just curious...would you guys (those that fish a lot) be in favor of these fish being stocked on LC?
IF so, do you think it would hurt or help other types of fishing in the lake?
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| posted on 10-26-2009 at 11:51 AM |
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The once thought to be extinct KY Native walleye was found in the Upper Rockcastle River / Indian Creek in Jackson County, and I have heard of
people catching muskie inbetween there and Bee Rock, so it would make sense they get washed downstream to the Lake..
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| posted on 10-26-2009 at 12:18 PM |
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My personal opion on muskie is that I don't think they hurt the population of other fish in the lake. The only thing they have effected is my wallet
while fishing for bass. There are a few lake in Ohio that have a good population of huge muskie's and they also have great number of bass, crappie,
saugie and all other types of fish in them. I don't know how many muskie's I got swimming around with 15 dollar crankbaits in their mouths.
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| posted on 10-26-2009 at 01:24 PM |
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I'm sure that little guy came from Tenn. They stock a stream that flows into the headwaters of the Big South Fork. I know of two others that have
been caught on the main body of the lake, and several way up in the South Fork.
"He was an old man who fished alone in a skiff in the Gulf Stream and he had gone eighty four days now without taking a fish." Conley
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Does he have a TN registration? LOL
(He was probably smuggling moonshine into the area!)
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| posted on 10-26-2009 at 03:36 PM |
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PS -
kdfwr907 - Wouldn't it be great to take those native walleye and stock LC with those instead of the great lakes walleye now stocked... just for the
sake of having native fish in the lake again... but it probably would be a logistic nightmare!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by FlukieLuke
Does he have a TN registration? LOL
(He was probably smuggling moonshine into the area!) |
Nope, but half his teeth were missing and he refused to guard Jodie Meeks!
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| posted on 10-27-2009 at 01:45 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by FlukieLuke
PS -
kdfwr907 - Wouldn't it be great to take those native walleye and stock LC with those instead of the great lakes walleye now stocked... just for the
sake of having native fish in the lake again... but it probably would be a logistic nightmare! |
This project is well underway, and the Fishiries crew has done a LOT of work with it. If you get way up HWY 89, you will see signs about the fish
with radio trackers in them, as they are studying their travel.
I havent asked about it in a while, but they did milk the fish and were in the process of getting the KY Native fish back in the water a year or so
ago.
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I wouldn't want to see them stocked. If they were going to do anything I would like to see the white bass helped out a little(which I know they are
already doing).
If I were the "man" right now I would just be trying to bring back the great fishing Lake Cumberland used to enjoy. Don't get me wrong I still
believe this is one of the best fishing lakes around. BUT. It seems every year for the most part the overall size of the fish caught get smaller
and smaller. I would love to see the Crappie keeper limit pushed to 12" for a year or so.
I think the #1 problem right now is the lake level. The tax payers had to foot the bill for a 3 year study of some snail that was going to prevent
Hal's I-66 but we never thought about how lowering the lake was going to affect the fish. Crappie and panfish in particular prefer lots of cover
especially when spawning. The lower lake levels and the constant need for Hal's log muncher to kind of overdue itself when it is used has left
nothing but barren banks and empty coves. I know the boating population(myself included) loves to fuss about the debris but a certain amount of logs
and trees are vital for the fish to continue to thrive. ESPECIALLY right now when the treeline is so far from the bank and trees naturally falling in
to the water is not going to happen.
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| posted on 10-27-2009 at 10:41 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rockinrod7
I wouldn't want to see them stocked. If they were going to do anything I would like to see the white bass helped out a little(which I know they are
already doing).
If I were the "man" right now I would just be trying to bring back the great fishing Lake Cumberland used to enjoy. Don't get me wrong I still
believe this is one of the best fishing lakes around. BUT. It seems every year for the most part the overall size of the fish caught get smaller
and smaller. I would love to see the Crappie keeper limit pushed to 12" for a year or so.
I think the #1 problem right now is the lake level. The tax payers had to foot the bill for a 3 year study of some snail that was going to prevent
Hal's I-66 but we never thought about how lowering the lake was going to affect the fish. Crappie and panfish in particular prefer lots of cover
especially when spawning. The lower lake levels and the constant need for Hal's log muncher to kind of overdue itself when it is used has left
nothing but barren banks and empty coves. I know the boating population(myself included) loves to fuss about the debris but a certain amount of logs
and trees are vital for the fish to continue to thrive. ESPECIALLY right now when the treeline is so far from the bank and trees naturally falling in
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The KDFWR has never entertained thoughts of stocking muskie into Lake Cumberland, and they never will as long as stripers are a part of the lake
fishery. Not gonna happen.
Crappie size limits are based on growth rates and the 10 in. limit is designed to protect 2 yr. old spawners. Raising that limit to 12 in. would
protect those fish until they were 4 or 5 yrs old, which many crappie will never realize. You would probably see very few keepers caught instead of
improved crappie fishing. Cumberland is a deep, clear, infertile lake with little natural cover. It's not Ken. Lake or Lake Barkley and it never
will be.
As far as the lower lake levels, KDFWR put a TON of thought into how it would affect the fish. Unfortunately, it's not their call, and the COE
marches to it's own drummer. F&W has had no impact on decisions concerning water levels, or I'm sure we'd have a few more feet of H2O in the lake.
When the lake is raised though, I see good things for the bass and crappie. A fair amount of woody cover has grown on the bare banks and can only
help these fish, at least in the short term. The floating debris, however, offers almost nothing for their benefit. MHO
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| posted on 10-27-2009 at 11:00 AM |
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Recently I have been up in several coves and small creeks where the state has put in a lot of man made cover. I know that this is no where near the
amount of cover they had in the past to spawn but there are still a fair amount coves and cuts that have good cover scattered throughout.
I was reading article back last year where they had went and found the population's on Largemouth and that is why there are man-made structure up in
some of these creeks/coves.
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Oh there is plenty of "man-made" structure around. I took good mental notes when they first dropped the lake driving around and finally finding
some of the local fisherman's "honey" holes that used to be in 20-30 of water and are now lying on the bank. 
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| posted on 10-28-2009 at 11:42 AM |
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Striperphil, was this caught near Conley, or was it up lake near the BSF?
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| posted on 10-28-2009 at 03:29 PM |
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It was caught on the main lake near the Fishing Ck area.
"He was an old man who fished alone in a skiff in the Gulf Stream and he had gone eighty four days now without taking a fish." Conley
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| posted on 10-28-2009 at 04:04 PM |
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Cool! I was canoeing the BSF back in 2001 and the guy with me caught on 39".
I think they like weeds too much to do well in the lake.
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| posted on 10-28-2009 at 06:07 PM |
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Having those native fish back in the lake just seems like a good idea.
Why would NOT stocking walleye be a good idea?
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| posted on 10-28-2009 at 06:53 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by FlukieLuke
As far as stocking walleye is concerned... they (Lake Erie fish) have been stocked in LC since the last dam repair/draw down (early '80's ?), which
devastated the earlier population of NATIVE walleye that came from the river after it was dammed.
Having those native fish back in the lake just seems like a good idea.
Why would NOT stocking walleye be a good idea?
Also, by the way, the lake was lowered so a catastrophe wouldn't happen.... or, put a different way... so THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WON'T DIE.
That fact is noticeably different than a snail study..... a minor detail that seems to have been missed. ?????????????????!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?
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The erie strain walleye were stocked earlier than the last dam repair and really had nothing to do w/ that drawdown. They were stocked because the
native river strain simply didn't adapt to a lake environment at all. Soon after Cumb. was flooded, a small hatchery was built on the banks of the
Big South Fork just to propogate the native walleye. But, they just didn't work, and the fish all but disappeared. The erie strain does just fine
here and will continue to be the walleye strain stocked in Cumb. The native strain has been stocked in a few streams and rivers in the area (barren,
rockcastle) as availability allows. They have also been introduced into Woods Ck lake on an experimental basis since this lake had no previous
walleye population. If re-introduced into Cumb. they would quickly cross breed with the erie strain and the gene pool would quickly be polluted,
defeating the purpose.
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| posted on 10-28-2009 at 07:22 PM |
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Thank you, striperphil. We are fortunate to have your knowledge and expertise available to us on this forum.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by kdfwr907
| Quote: | Originally posted by FlukieLuke
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kdfwr907 - Wouldn't it be great to take those native walleye and stock LC with those instead of the great lakes walleye now stocked... just for the
sake of having native fish in the lake again... but it probably would be a logistic nightmare! |
This project is well underway, and the Fishiries crew has done a LOT of work with it. If you get way up HWY 89, you will see signs about the fish
with radio trackers in them, as they are studying their travel.
I havent asked about it in a while, but they did milk the fish and were in the process of getting the KY Native fish back in the water a year or so
ago. |
Also there is quite a bit of information on these radio trackers at London Dock . I was very happy to see this going on, and hope it works as planned
(or even better)
To fish or not to fish........
What a stupid question!
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| posted on 10-29-2009 at 11:09 AM |
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Thank you!
That is quite different than the second hand information I received years ago!(Note: second hand....)
You say that the walleye are reproducing in Lake Cumberland? (Cross breeding with erie wally's.)
I thought they needed a river with flowing water (like stripers) to reproduce... and thus had to be stocked.
Maybe cross breeding would make a successful fish...
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| posted on 10-29-2009 at 12:34 PM |
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Walleye do spawn in L. Cumberland, but not well enough to keep the fishery where it needs to be, so supplemental stockings are added to the lake each
year. Without these stockings the walleye population would dwindle, but not disappear. Stripers do not spawn successfully at all in the lake, and
without stockings would disappear entirely. As far as the cross strain native/erie, they probably already exist in the lake, but DNA samples would
have to be processed to be sure.
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| posted on 10-29-2009 at 01:46 PM |
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Whatever the strain....my family enjoyed eating the 4 walleye, 1 sauger, 2 stripers caught on lake & river last Weds 10-21!
The lake and the river continues to be a best kept fishing secret in the USA.
(Even with ZERO fish last Weds - I would I have said it was a good day because of the fall beauty )
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